Sonic Unleashed thread

[Rooney]

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Debut trailer
[video width=500 height=400:f910e3a1b1]http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x4ybd4&v3=1&related=1[/video:f910e3a1b1]

Teaser
[video width=500 height=400:f910e3a1b1]http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x50025&v3=1&related=1[/video:f910e3a1b1]
Official Site. (http://www.sega.com/gamesite/sonicunleashed/us/index.php)

[Curt]

A Hedgehog/werewolf?

>.>;

[BoonMcNougat]

Werehog.

It would be awesome if it was all 2.5D.

It looks nice, I'll admit.

[Pâblô]

Maybe kind of taken by TP but oh well, it may be good.

[Rooney]

I really hope its not a multiplatform Wii/360/PS3 release as of course the Wii will get the short end of the stick. So far, those graphics are something the Wii really could pull off though.

Edit: I am having trouble embedding the video into the post, could someone please help me on that. T'would be appreciated.

[3roam]

Final Name: The Legend of Sonic: Twilight Emeralds

[Game Boy]

i am looking forward to this :)

and to embed the video:
http://www.youtube.com/v/MrD-g4Oj7IE&hl=en

[Rooney]

i am looking forward to this :)

and to embed the video:
http://www.youtube.com/v/MrD-g4Oj7IE&hl=en

Thanks for that. It's different on this forum to how I usually embed.

[Kiru]

- Another new character will be introduced

Oh no. Too many Sonic characetrs all ready :?

[Infernal Monkey]

I really hope its not a multiplatform Wii/360/PS3 release as of course the Wii will get the short end of the stick. So far, those graphics are something the Wii really could pull off though.

Edit: I am having trouble embedding the video into the post, could someone please help me on that. T'would be appreciated.

Judging by the mere resolution (http://forums.exophase.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5564&d=1206229819), these screens are from either the 360 or PS3. There might be a Wii version, but who knows, it's Sega afterall.

[Rooney]

I really hope its not a multiplatform Wii/360/PS3 release as of course the Wii will get the short end of the stick. So far, those graphics are something the Wii really could pull off though.

Edit: I am having trouble embedding the video into the post, could someone please help me on that. T'would be appreciated.

Judging by the mere resolution (http://forums.exophase.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5564&d=1206229819), these screens are from either the 360 or PS3. There might be a Wii version, but who knows, it's Sega afterall.

Your right according to this (http://www.sonicstadium.org/sonicnews/440/) news article on The Sonic Stadium which mentions that they are from the Xbox 360 version, but its also mentioned its coming to the Wii.

[nintyfanboy]

looks very accidental to me i suppose it not as interesting if its not leaked :)

[Scott]

Mm, might be interesting, but I can see this being a colossal failure.

[Kiru]

Mm, might be interesting, but I can see this being a colossal failure.

From that video I think it looks pretty good. Like a Sonic Rush on a console. If SEGA make this good like the Rush games then this could have good potential.

[TSPhoenix]

I really hope its not a multiplatform Wii/360/PS3 release as of course the Wii will get the short end of the stick. So far, those graphics are something the Wii really could pull off though.

Those screens are definitely not Wii screens nor anything he Wii could reasonably do. The video looks like SEGA might be waking up to the idea that the formula eployed in most previous 3D Sonic titles plain old doesn't work.

[Scott]

Mm, might be interesting, but I can see this being a colossal failure.

From that video I think it looks pretty good. Like a Sonic Rush on a console. If SEGA make this good like the Rush games then this could have good potential.

Good potential? You say it like there is such thing as bad potential. Anyway, it also looks like it could be like Sonic and the Secret Rings, which won't be fun, again.

[Adam]

I really hope its not a multiplatform Wii/360/PS3 release as of course the Wii will get the short end of the stick. So far, those graphics are something the Wii really could pull off though.

Those screens are definitely not Wii screens nor anything he Wii could reasonably do. The video looks like SEGA might be waking up to the idea that the formula eployed in most previous 3D Sonic titles plain old doesn't work.

Yes, first thing I saw when I saw the video. The Wii doesn't have a hope. Not that I'd be buying the Wii version anyway, because it'd probably pretty poor, and definitely
wouldn't look like what I've just seen.

This game looks like it could be good though.

[BoonMcNougat]

I really hope its not a multiplatform Wii/360/PS3 release as of course the Wii will get the short end of the stick. So far, those graphics are something the Wii really could pull off though.

Those screens are definitely not Wii screens nor anything he Wii could reasonably do. The video looks like SEGA might be waking up to the idea that the formula eployed in most previous 3D Sonic titles plain old doesn't work.

Yes, first thing I saw when I saw the video. The Wii doesn't have a hope. Not that I'd be buying the Wii version anyway, because it'd probably pretty poor, and definitely
wouldn't look like what I've just seen.

This game looks like it could be good though.

I'd say that SMG looks better than what we've seen.

[TSPhoenix]

So you compare the gold standard platform franchise to one that has been having and identity crisis for nearly a decade.

[Rooney]

So you compare the gold standard platform franchise to one that has been having and identity crisis for nearly a decade.

I think he's talking about the graphics of the two and not the quality/gameplay.

[Bjay]

Not bad, haha I can't help but think of Twilight Princess though :P

That said, I wonder what "colour" this new character will be ;)

That's if it's a 'Sonic' character and not a one-game exclusive character.

[Adam]

I think SMG's graphics are brilliant, but it's a very simple style of graphics. In my mind those graphics look heaps better.

[BoonMcNougat]

So you compare the gold standard platform franchise to one that has been having and identity crisis for nearly a decade.

I think he's talking about the graphics of the two and not the quality/gameplay.

Yep, i was talking about the graphics.

[Rooney]

Just remember that most of those screenshots are actually from a CG movie in the game, only 3 or 4 are actually gameplay shots or scenery running on the engine.

[Capt. Billy]

I gave up on Sonic many moons ago, and it seems some of the same mistakes are being made again. Another character? That's exactly what Sonic needs. Everyone still loves Bigg the Cat. Transform into a wolf? Done, and done better, in Okami and TP. Super Sonic? Cool, that cards hasn't been played. Maybe they'll give him guns, then the game will be fantastic!

/sarcasm

Best game with Sonic in it for quite a while is Brawl. And I hope for my sake I'm wrong, but I see another B grade title in the works. I pray I'm wrong...

[yoshifan]

may get on wii and has motion controls and the graphics could be pulled off on wii

[Matt Silver]

Not bad... I think.

[Aladdin Sane]

Sonic Team can still make decent games, they proved that to me with NiGHTS and Sonic and the Secret Rings last year. All of the dud games they've put out over the last five or so years have had potential; Heroes and Shadow both had some some decent ideas (along with some iffy ones in Shadow's case) that just weren't followed through with properly, and didn't have the solid game design behind them that they needed to back the poor implementation of the gimmicks. I haven't played the 360/PS3 StH but it, apparantley, sports some of the best design in the series since it went 3D but suffers, unfortunately, from minial testing; it was rushed out and could have been great if given the time it needed to mature.

I'm cautiously optimistic about this, same as I am with every Sonic title. It could be bad, but it could be quality, too; hoping for the best but expecting the worst seems to be the best way to approach Sonic Team titles nowadays.

[Blobulator]

Hmm... well judging from the video it has *potential*. Thankfully it seems more side-scrolling focused and less adventure-oriented than a lot of the previous titles. Still... I'm a little skeptical about it, considering the borderline ridiculous plot already (Werewolf? Double ewe tee eff) and what something like that may do to gameplay.

And, oh. my. god. Is it impossible for them to actually *re-use* a character for once, instead of making a new one? With the billions already in existence there'd have to be at least one that would fit the role they created this new one for... >.>

[TSPhoenix]

So you were talking about the graphics, either way the size of the HUD text on those screens indicate it was running in at least 720p. This means to make the game look as good you are pushing 225% of the pixels at 480p. It 1080p it is 500%.

This means you need 225-500% more processing power and I'd say SMG pushed the Wii to its limits. Of course I'm sure this Sonic game would look fine in 480p.

[Nintendotwins]

I really hope its not a multiplatform Wii/360/PS3 release as of course the Wii will get the short end of the stick. So far, those graphics are something the Wii really could pull off though.

Edit: I am having trouble embedding the video into the post, could someone please help me on that. T'would be appreciated.

I hope so to, doesn't matter though, I will just have to get a xbox 360 then if it doesn't come out on the wii. I am hoping it will though :D

Thanks for the info Rooney :D

[Pâblô]

Man can't wait for this, it would be gay if the camera angle was like the one in the video, that would piss me off so much. Still haven't seen anything about Wolf Sonic.

[Kiru]

Mm, might be interesting, but I can see this being a colossal failure.

From that video I think it looks pretty good. Like a Sonic Rush on a console. If SEGA make this good like the Rush games then this could have good potential.

Good potential? You say it like there is such thing as bad potential. Anyway, it also looks like it could be like Sonic and the Secret Rings, which won't be fun, again.

Serious? Sonic and the Secret Rings was pretty fun. Way better than those other 3D Sonic games.

[Pâblô]

Never played Sonic and the Secret Rings, but I love sonic games, running around loops at a high speed is so fun.

[Luigifan]

Mm, might be interesting, but I can see this being a colossal failure.

From that video I think it looks pretty good. Like a Sonic Rush on a console. If SEGA make this good like the Rush games then this could have good potential.

Good potential? You say it like there is such thing as bad potential. Anyway, it also looks like it could be like Sonic and the Secret Rings, which won't be fun, again.

Serious? Sonic and the Secret Rings was pretty fun. Way better than those other 3D Sonic games.

I thought it was pretty good as well, i ended up returning it to ebgames coz i finished it pretty easily, minigames weren't too bad as well.

[JemaKnight]

Wow... This looks totally awesome.



But then again, so did all the other 3D Sonic games.

[Nintendotwins]

Mm, might be interesting, but I can see this being a colossal failure.

From that video I think it looks pretty good. Like a Sonic Rush on a console. If SEGA make this good like the Rush games then this could have good potential.

Good potential? You say it like there is such thing as bad potential. Anyway, it also looks like it could be like Sonic and the Secret Rings, which won't be fun, again.

Serious? Sonic and the Secret Rings was pretty fun. Way better than those other 3D Sonic games.

Yeah, Sonic and the secret rings was an awesome game. Knowing at what a big sonic fan I am, I probably will like the game. I still need to buy an xbox 360 first :D

[JC]

Sonic Team can still make decent games, they proved that to me with NiGHTS and Sonic and the Secret Rings last year.

LULZ!

SATSR was awful and the new Nights had nothing on the original.

Sonic Unleashed looks like the same turd that Sonic Team has squeezed out over and over for the last ten years. Sega should sack the entire team.

[Slowbro]

Sonic Team can still make decent games, they proved that to me with NiGHTS and Sonic and the Secret Rings last year.

LULZ!

SATSR was awful and the new Nights had nothing on the original.

Sonic Unleashed looks like the same turd that Sonic Team has squeezed out over and over for the last ten years. Sega should sack the entire team.

agreed, sonic and the secret rings was pathetic imo. The only 3d sonic game i respect is sonic adventure 2: battle on gamecube. This game, however may be promising but i do ave my duobts

[td-tigs]

This kind of looks like what the Sonic games on the Wii should have played like (not looked like, since the wii can't pull off such visuals), but the 2.5D gameplay would have been a lot better than the last types of games sonic stared in.

p.s. Would love to see a proper 3D sonic themed RPG for the wii - imagine vast levels and being able to upgrade Sonic and his pals with Super Ubber Running Shoes????? LOL But maybe a World Of Sonic is in the pipelines. :lol:

[Danon]

Sonic Team can still make decent games, they proved that to me with NiGHTS and Sonic and the Secret Rings last year.

LULZ!

SATSR was awful and the new Nights had nothing on the original.

Sonic Unleashed looks like the same turd that Sonic Team has squeezed out over and over for the last ten years. Sega should sack the entire team.

Note he said "decent games", and it's personal opinion, so don't rip on him.

[nephilim]

start of the video looks like Naruto 360 (even plays the same), then looks like the psp series in ps2 graphics when hes running in the classic looking area's... pretty meh

[Aladdin Sane]

LULZ!

SATSR was awful and the new Nights had nothing on the original.

Different strokes, I suppose.

[Anui]

Am I the only person alive who actually LIKED a 3D sonic game?

Both the Sonic Adventures, anyone? I thought they were fantastic and definitely some of my favourite games (hence my name)

Although admittedly now that sonic has, well, suffered, I think I need a new name =S I feel almost ashamed to still have him in my name.

[St.Cameron]

Am I the only person alive who actually LIKED a 3D sonic game?

Both the Sonic Adventures, anyone? I thought they were fantastic and definitely some of my favourite games (hence my name)

Although admittedly now that sonic has, well, suffered, I think I need a new name =S I feel almost ashamed to still have him in my name.
Yeah I loved Sonic Adventure 2. After that they got really bad though. Sonic and the Secret Rings is horrible! Sorry but it just is. This looks ok though but I wouldn't be surprised if it is just another failed attempt at sonic 3d

[Fazzle]

- Another new character will be introduced

Oh no. Too many Sonic characetrs all ready :?

I agree, do we need a new character every game?

[Nintendotwins]

Sonic Team can still make decent games, they proved that to me with NiGHTS and Sonic and the Secret Rings last year.

LULZ!

SATSR was awful and the new Nights had nothing on the original.

Sonic Unleashed looks like the same turd that Sonic Team has squeezed out over and over for the last ten years. Sega should sack the entire team.

It wasn't awful, I think you got the wording wrong. It was awesome. Sonic and the secret rings was a new idea all together, and I liked it. You guys should forget about the sega you knew 15 years ago. They are gone. Welcome to the new generation of sonic my friend.

And sonic boi, I lovet he 3-D sonic games. They are awesome. and Sonic adventure 2 battle was my favourite sonic game of all time.

[Anui]

And sonic boi, I lovet he 3-D sonic games. They are awesome. and Sonic adventure 2 battle was my favourite sonic game of all time.

Woo! I may actually have to check out SatSR now, although darth vader said it was crap... hmmmm, dilemma!

[Kiru]

And sonic boi, I lovet he 3-D sonic games. They are awesome. and Sonic adventure 2 battle was my favourite sonic game of all time.

Woo! I may actually have to check out SatSR now, although darth vader said it was crap... hmmmm, dilemma!

darth vader is wrong. Darth Vader turned to the dark side through his hatred of how great the game really was.

[Nintendotwins]

And sonic boi, I lovet he 3-D sonic games. They are awesome. and Sonic adventure 2 battle was my favourite sonic game of all time.

Woo! I may actually have to check out SatSR now, although darth vader said it was crap... hmmmm, dilemma!

darth vader is wrong. Darth Vader turned to the dark side through his hatred of how great the game really was.

Lol, yep, Darth vader is not with us anylonger. He has turned to the bad side, even though I overcome him with sonic :D

[Slowbro]

the only sonic game i would buy if it is anything like SA2B. That game was amazing. I only bought it for 30 bucks and it lasted me a while. If sega ever made a game that continues SA2B then i would get it. However these newer sonic games havent interested me at all.

[Anui]

And sonic boi, I lovet he 3-D sonic games. They are awesome. and Sonic adventure 2 battle was my favourite sonic game of all time.

Woo! I may actually have to check out SatSR now, although darth vader said it was crap... hmmmm, dilemma!

darth vader is wrong. Darth Vader turned to the dark side through his hatred of how great the game really was.

Lol, yep, Darth vader is not with us anylonger. He has turned to the bad side, even though I overcome him with sonic :D

Well with all these incredibly valid (and excellent) arguments I guess I have no choice but to listen to you guys over darth! :roll:

But on a serious note, I think I actually will pick up SatSR, but from EB or something so I can return it if it's, well... not that good.

the only sonic game i would buy if it is anything like SA2B. That game was amazing. I only bought it for 30 bucks and it lasted me a while. If sega ever made a game that continues SA2B then i would get it. However these newer sonic games havent interested me at all.

Agreed. It was my first game for gamecube and I loved it =)

[TSPhoenix]

The first Sonic Adventure didn't feel quite right, while SA2 was no masterpiece it was fun for good portions of the game and Chao raising was awesome. That said SA2 is only one game of many. Its easy to generalise about 3D Sonics because of that.

[bigsim]

... the claim that it would be 2D might be dissolved by their latest mission statement: to "rebuild the Sonic brand and prove it could work in 3D environments."

*Bangs head against the wall*

It wasn't awful, I think you got the wording wrong. It was awesome. Sonic and the secret rings was a new idea all together, and I liked it. You guys should forget about the sega you knew 15 years ago. They are gone. Welcome to the new generation of sonic my friend

You're a bit of a goose. If this is the "new generation" of Sonic, then I'll happily go back to my old, S2 and S3&K "old generation", thankyouverymuch.

News flash, Sonic Team: 3D SONIC DOESN'T WORK. GET OVER IT PLZ.

[Nintendotwins]

... the claim that it would be 2D might be dissolved by their latest mission statement: to "rebuild the Sonic brand and prove it could work in 3D environments."

*Bangs head against the wall*

It wasn't awful, I think you got the wording wrong. It was awesome. Sonic and the secret rings was a new idea all together, and I liked it. You guys should forget about the sega you knew 15 years ago. They are gone. Welcome to the new generation of sonic my friend

You're a bit of a goose. If this is the "new generation" of Sonic, then I'll happily go back to my old, S2 and S3&K "old generation", thankyouverymuch.

News flash, Sonic Team: 3D SONIC DOESN'T WORK. GET OVER IT PLZ.

Well, thats you opinion. Sega aren't going back to the way they were 15 years ago. You can keep on playing your 2-D sonic games, but sega won't go back. Everyone please just stop your complaining. Otherwise go complain elsewhere. Do not post in every new sonic game thread, "The 2-D ones were better. Sega sucks now. Sonic can go to hell now for all I care. I want sega to go back to the 2-D games. Sonic shouldn't talk etc.' We don't want your complaing. Go write a letter to sega, not posting your complaints here. The people who like the 3-D sonic games don't care about your thoughts.

[bigsim]

I hear what you're saying, but you're wrong. If Sega don't go back to 2D, they're dumb. The simple fact is that people don't like 3D Sonic games ("I do", I hear you say, but the sales figures and ratings show that you're in the minority), because they don't work.

And please don't tell me what I can and can't post. You're free to post your 3D Sonic love, but equally I should feel free to reminisce on the way things were in the good old days - where Sega were Blast Processing with the best of 'em, and Sonic games were actually fun.

[St.Cameron]

And sonic boi, I lovet he 3-D sonic games. They are awesome. and Sonic adventure 2 battle was my favourite sonic game of all time.

Woo! I may actually have to check out SatSR now, although darth vader said it was crap... hmmmm, dilemma!

darth vader is wrong. Darth Vader turned to the dark side through his hatred of how great the game really was.

Lol, yep, Darth vader is not with us anylonger. He has turned to the bad side, even though I overcome him with sonic :D

Well with all these incredibly valid (and excellent) arguments I guess I have no choice but to listen to you guys over darth! :roll:

But on a serious note, I think I actually will pick up SatSR, but from EB or something so I can return it if it's, well... not that good.
Yeah well let me put it like this. The controls were really bad, I mean trying to backtrack or dodge enemies or anything was just really clunky and unresponsive. I found my self running into enemies or spiked plants because of the controls far too often. Sonic may run fast straight forward but any other direction and he may as well be a snail. If you are going to pick it up, get it at EB like you have said, because they have that 7 day return thing, you'll probably use it...or maybe you'll like it, who knows? Everyone's tastes are different.

[TSPhoenix]

Can 3D Sonic work? Probably.

For people at SEGA or people like Igarashi who have a series which is golden in 2D but really want to make it work in 3D it must be really frustrating.

[Bourbanog]

Erk. Sonic games seem odd to me. I never know what's going on, and have no recollection of what I've done. And it seems even worse in 3D.

[Nintendotwins]

I hear what you're saying, but you're wrong. If Sega don't go back to 2D, they're dumb. The simple fact is that people don't like 3D Sonic games ("I do", I hear you say, but the sales figures and ratings show that you're in the minority), because they don't work.

And please don't tell me what I can and can't post. You're free to post your 3D Sonic love, but equally I should feel free to reminisce on the way things were in the good old days - where Sega were Blast Processing with the best of 'em, and Sonic games were actually fun.

Still, Sega aren't turning back. The only "2-D games" that you will get will be the retro sonic games on the VC. That is all. I am just trying to make a point that sega aren't turning back. Lol, would you rather the sonic in Brawl to be 2-D like mr game and watch? Just a silly thought there.

I'm just saying why in every new sonic game thread that people make, do we need people like you bigsim to just come and complain about sonic going back to his 2-D games? I understand your point though but my point is that sega aren't turning back. Take this for an example, Bigsim, if you go to check EB games one day, and find a new 2-D sonic game out on the wii, would you buy it? Yes. But that is just you. There are many people like you who would then say "why don't they change him back to 3-D". It will just go around in circles. You will only get the people who grew up with the 2-D sonic games like me and you, but then there will be the people who grew up with the 3-D games. I admit ofcourse some of sonics 2-D games are better than some of his 3-D, but that would be more of a downgrade making 2-d games. Sonic rush is as close as you could get to make it with a 2-d perspective.

[Adam]

Yeah. Even though the Sonic 2D games are great, I still love the 3D ones as well. And sure, the 2D may always be better. But... we've just got to move on.

Just like Goldeneye... something like that won't happen again... just gotta move on.

I'm pretty excited for this game.

[Perfect Being]

If sega ever made a game that continues SA2B then i would get it.

"Shadow the Hedgehog" O.o?

[Nintendotwins]

If sega ever made a game that continues SA2B then i would get it.

"Shadow the Hedgehog" O.o?

No, they won't because sonic heros was supposed to be the sequal to that since shadow was repaired by Dr. Eggman. Shadow the hedgehog was supposed to be sort of like an extension of Sonic heros. But I can understand what you mean, Sonic went really Down hill after SA2:B but got back up on it's from Sonic the Hedgehog on 360. Ofcourse sonics 2-D games were really good and beat some of his 3-D games, but even so all sega can do is improve the 3-D games. Hopefully sonic unleashed will be the improvement.

[Slowbro]

If sega ever made a game that continues SA2B then i would get it.

"Shadow the Hedgehog" O.o?

No, they won't because sonic heros was supposed to be the sequal to that since shadow was repaired by Dr. Eggman. Shadow the hedgehog was supposed to be sort of like an extension of Sonic heros. But I can understand what you mean, Sonic went really Down hill after SA2:B but got back up on it's from Sonic the Hedgehog on 360. Ofcourse sonics 2-D games were really good and beat some of his 3-D games, but even so all sega can do is improve the 3-D games. Hopefully sonic unleashed will be the improvement.

yes. all we can do now is keep our fingers crossed that this game will have a decent storyline with good gameplay without being frustrating :D

[Rooney]

If sega ever made a game that continues SA2B then i would get it.

"Shadow the Hedgehog" O.o?

No, they won't because sonic heros was supposed to be the sequal to that since shadow was repaired by Dr. Eggman. Shadow the hedgehog was supposed to be sort of like an extension of Sonic heros. But I can understand what you mean, Sonic went really Down hill after SA2:B but got back up on it's from Sonic the Hedgehog on 360. Ofcourse sonics 2-D games were really good and beat some of his 3-D games, but even so all sega can do is improve the 3-D games. Hopefully sonic unleashed will be the improvement.

I'm sorry but did you just praise Sonic the Hedgehog on the 360/PS3?

[Nintendotwins]

If sega ever made a game that continues SA2B then i would get it.

"Shadow the Hedgehog" O.o?

No, they won't because sonic heros was supposed to be the sequal to that since shadow was repaired by Dr. Eggman. Shadow the hedgehog was supposed to be sort of like an extension of Sonic heros. But I can understand what you mean, Sonic went really Down hill after SA2:B but got back up on it's from Sonic the Hedgehog on 360. Ofcourse sonics 2-D games were really good and beat some of his 3-D games, but even so all sega can do is improve the 3-D games. Hopefully sonic unleashed will be the improvement.

I'm sorry but did you just praise Sonic the Hedgehog on the 360/PS3?

I'm saying it's better than Sonic heros and much better than shadow the hedgehog.

[Rooney]

If sega ever made a game that continues SA2B then i would get it.

"Shadow the Hedgehog" O.o?

No, they won't because sonic heros was supposed to be the sequal to that since shadow was repaired by Dr. Eggman. Shadow the hedgehog was supposed to be sort of like an extension of Sonic heros. But I can understand what you mean, Sonic went really Down hill after SA2:B but got back up on it's from Sonic the Hedgehog on 360. Ofcourse sonics 2-D games were really good and beat some of his 3-D games, but even so all sega can do is improve the 3-D games. Hopefully sonic unleashed will be the improvement.

I'm sorry but did you just praise Sonic the Hedgehog on the 360/PS3?

I'm saying it's better than Sonic heros and much better than shadow the hedgehog.

Gamerankings dosent seem to agree with you.

Sonic the Hedgehog (360) (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/929717.asp?q=sonic%20the%20hedgehog)
Sonic Heroes (Gamecube) (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/914714.asp?q=sonic%20heroes)
Shadow the Hedgehog (Gamecube) (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/926672.asp?q=shadow%20the%20hedgehog)

[Luigifan]

If sega ever made a game that continues SA2B then i would get it.

"Shadow the Hedgehog" O.o?

No, they won't because sonic heros was supposed to be the sequal to that since shadow was repaired by Dr. Eggman. Shadow the hedgehog was supposed to be sort of like an extension of Sonic heros. But I can understand what you mean, Sonic went really Down hill after SA2:B but got back up on it's from Sonic the Hedgehog on 360. Ofcourse sonics 2-D games were really good and beat some of his 3-D games, but even so all sega can do is improve the 3-D games. Hopefully sonic unleashed will be the improvement.

I'm sorry but did you just praise Sonic the Hedgehog on the 360/PS3?

I'm saying it's better than Sonic heros and much better than shadow the hedgehog.

Gamerankings dosent seem to agree with you.

Sonic the Hedgehog (360) (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/929717.asp?q=sonic%20the%20hedgehog)
Sonic Heroes (Gamecube) (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/914714.asp?q=sonic%20heroes)
Shadow the Hedgehog (Gamecube) (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/926672.asp?q=shadow%20the%20hedgehog)

Lol, some great scores there.

[Nintendotwins]

Well this is a matter of opinion. I find sonic the hedgehog an awesome game.

[Nintendotwins]

sorry double post.

[Luigifan]

Well this is a matter of opinion. I find sonic the hedgehog an awesome game.

Really? Well, i suppose it is a matter of opinion, i did enjoy Sonic and the Secret Rings, so yeah...

[Nintendotwins]

Well this is a matter of opinion. I find sonic the hedgehog an awesome game.

Really? Well, i suppose it is a matter of opinion, i did enjoy Sonic and the Secret Rings, so yeah...

Well I think sonics 3-D games is a matter of opinion. Most people who loves Nintendo loves his 2-D games, but alot of people hate his 3-D ones. I liked all his 3-D ones but Shadow the hedgehog went down hill but just made it into the "OK" zone IMO.

[Slowbro]

If sega ever made a game that continues SA2B then i would get it.

"Shadow the Hedgehog" O.o?

No, they won't because sonic heros was supposed to be the sequal to that since shadow was repaired by Dr. Eggman. Shadow the hedgehog was supposed to be sort of like an extension of Sonic heros. But I can understand what you mean, Sonic went really Down hill after SA2:B but got back up on it's from Sonic the Hedgehog on 360. Ofcourse sonics 2-D games were really good and beat some of his 3-D games, but even so all sega can do is improve the 3-D games. Hopefully sonic unleashed will be the improvement.

I'm sorry but did you just praise Sonic the Hedgehog on the 360/PS3?

I'm saying it's better than Sonic heros and much better than shadow the hedgehog.

Gamerankings dosent seem to agree with you.

Sonic the Hedgehog (360) (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/929717.asp?q=sonic%20the%20hedgehog)
Sonic Heroes (Gamecube) (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/914714.asp?q=sonic%20heroes)
Shadow the Hedgehog (Gamecube) (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/926672.asp?q=shadow%20the%20hedgehog)

Lol, some great scores there.

game rankings are idiots. they put Sonic heroes higher than Sonic adventure 2: battle. Sonic heroes was pathetic. I regretted ever buying it for my gc. http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/533012.asp

Well thats their opinion. They are entitlet to their opinion. However, owning both games and asking other people who also had sonic heroes, they said SA2B was much better

[Luigifan]

If sega ever made a game that continues SA2B then i would get it.

"Shadow the Hedgehog" O.o?

No, they won't because sonic heros was supposed to be the sequal to that since shadow was repaired by Dr. Eggman. Shadow the hedgehog was supposed to be sort of like an extension of Sonic heros. But I can understand what you mean, Sonic went really Down hill after SA2:B but got back up on it's from Sonic the Hedgehog on 360. Ofcourse sonics 2-D games were really good and beat some of his 3-D games, but even so all sega can do is improve the 3-D games. Hopefully sonic unleashed will be the improvement.

I'm sorry but did you just praise Sonic the Hedgehog on the 360/PS3?

I'm saying it's better than Sonic heros and much better than shadow the hedgehog.

Gamerankings dosent seem to agree with you.

Sonic the Hedgehog (360) (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/929717.asp?q=sonic%20the%20hedgehog)
Sonic Heroes (Gamecube) (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/914714.asp?q=sonic%20heroes)
Shadow the Hedgehog (Gamecube) (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/926672.asp?q=shadow%20the%20hedgehog)

Lol, some great scores there.

game rankings are idiots. they put Sonic heroes higher than Sonic adventure 2: battle. Sonic heroes was pathetic. I regretted ever buying it for my gc. http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/533012.asp

Well thats their opinion. They are entitlet to their opinion. However, owning both games and asking other people who also had sonic heroes, they said SA2B was much better

Yeah, i ended up buying Sonic Heroes on PS2, i hated it...

[Rooney]

game rankings are idiots. they put Sonic heroes higher than Sonic adventure 2: battle. Sonic heroes was pathetic. I regretted ever buying it for my gc. http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/533012.asp

Well thats their opinion. They are entitlet to their opinion. However, owning both games and asking other people who also had sonic heroes, they said SA2B was much better

You do realize that Gamerankings compiles a large number of reviews from websites and magazines into an overall average, and they dont personally review the games.
So when Sonic Heroes is higher than Sonic Adventure 2 : Battle it means that the overall average of the game is higher, meaning the media thought it was better.

[Slowbro]

game rankings are idiots. they put Sonic heroes higher than Sonic adventure 2: battle. Sonic heroes was pathetic. I regretted ever buying it for my gc. http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/533012.asp

Well thats their opinion. They are entitlet to their opinion. However, owning both games and asking other people who also had sonic heroes, they said SA2B was much better

You do realize that Gamerankings compiles a large number of reviews from websites and magazines into an overall average, and they dont personally review the games.
So when Sonic Heroes is higher than Sonic Adventure 2 : Battle it means that the overall average of the game is higher, meaning the media thought it was better.

ok. mabye game rankings arent the idiots, mabye the people who decided to give SH a better score than SA2B are idiots.

[bigsim]

Still, Sega aren't turning back. The only "2-D games" that you will get will be the retro sonic games on the VC. That is all. I am just trying to make a point that sega aren't turning back. Lol, would you rather the sonic in Brawl to be 2-D like mr game and watch? Just a silly thought there.

You're right in saying Sega aren't turning back - that's why they're struggling the way they are. And if portraying the Brawl character in 2D instead of 3D meant it would be a good game instead of a shit one, then of course I'd rather the character in Brawl be 2D like Mr. Game and Watch.

I'm just saying why in every new sonic game thread that people make, do we need people like you bigsim to just come and complain about sonic going back to his 2-D games?

I'm not opposed to Sonic games in 3D as a whole, necessarily (and I'm sure I speak for most of the 3D Sonic detractors); it's just that I seem to have a terrible allergy to really bad games. It happens that I really don't like Sonic Rush a great deal either, but comparing Sonic Rush to Sonic the Hedgehog on Xbox is like comparing Shakespeare to Zombie Bums from Uranus.

You will only get the people who grew up with the 2-D sonic games like me and you, but then there will be the people who grew up with the 3-D games.

You get people that grew up in the World Wars, too, but that doesn't necessarily make them pinnacles of modern history.

[Kiru]

Why dont people just stop complaining about why Sonic is good or bad and just talk about this Sonic Unleashed.

[Bisset]

Still, Sega aren't turning back. The only "2-D games" that you will get will be the retro sonic games on the VC. That is all. I am just trying to make a point that sega aren't turning back. Lol, would you rather the sonic in Brawl to be 2-D like mr game and watch? Just a silly thought there.

You're right in saying Sega aren't turning back - that's why they're struggling the way they are. And if portraying the Brawl character in 2D instead of 3D meant it would be a good game instead of a shit one, then of course I'd rather the character in Brawl be 2D like Mr. Game and Watch.

I'm just saying why in every new sonic game thread that people make, do we need people like you bigsim to just come and complain about sonic going back to his 2-D games?

I'm not opposed to Sonic games in 3D as a whole, necessarily (and I'm sure I speak for most of the 3D Sonic detractors); it's just that I seem to have a terrible allergy to really bad games. It happens that I really don't like Sonic Rush a great deal either, but comparing Sonic Rush to Sonic the Hedgehog on Xbox is like comparing Shakespeare to Zombie Bums from Uranus.

You will only get the people who grew up with the 2-D sonic games like me and you, but then there will be the people who grew up with the 3-D games.

You get people that grew up in the World Wars, too, but that doesn't necessarily make them pinnacles of modern history.
TELL ME YOU DID NOT JUST CALL BRAWL SHIT

[bigsim]

I DID NOT JUST CALL BRAWL SHIT.

[Nintendotwins]

Still, Sega aren't turning back. The only "2-D games" that you will get will be the retro sonic games on the VC. That is all. I am just trying to make a point that sega aren't turning back. Lol, would you rather the sonic in Brawl to be 2-D like mr game and watch? Just a silly thought there.

You're right in saying Sega aren't turning back - that's why they're struggling the way they are. And if portraying the Brawl character in 2D instead of 3D meant it would be a good game instead of a shit one, then of course I'd rather the character in Brawl be 2D like Mr. Game and Watch.

I'm just saying why in every new sonic game thread that people make, do we need people like you bigsim to just come and complain about sonic going back to his 2-D games?

I'm not opposed to Sonic games in 3D as a whole, necessarily (and I'm sure I speak for most of the 3D Sonic detractors); it's just that I seem to have a terrible allergy to really bad games. It happens that I really don't like Sonic Rush a great deal either, but comparing Sonic Rush to Sonic the Hedgehog on Xbox is like comparing Shakespeare to Zombie Bums from Uranus.

You will only get the people who grew up with the 2-D sonic games like me and you, but then there will be the people who grew up with the 3-D games.

You get people that grew up in the World Wars, too, but that doesn't necessarily make them pinnacles of modern history.

Lol, They aren't turning back to the 2-D games. If sonic being in 3-D is really that bad as you say it is, then Sega won't just die down. Because of the other characters/games they make. They are't going back to 2-D. Its the past get over it. Go play your 2-D sonic games if you love it that much.

Kiru is right, this thread is about sonic unleashed.

[Perfect Being]

Looking at the gameplay video it looks as if they've brought the "rush" skill over, theres times when you'll see sonic speed up with an extra boost and then he'll just drop back down to normal.

[Adios]

Why dont people just stop complaining about why Sonic is good or bad and just talk about this Sonic Unleashed.

Well there's barely information on Unleashed so of course we'll yabber about the poor quality of recent Sonic Team games.

[Kiru]

Why dont people just stop complaining about why Sonic is good or bad and just talk about this Sonic Unleashed.

Well there's barely information on Unleashed so of course we'll yabber about the poor quality of recent Sonic Team games.

We could just talk about the screens and video that were just released.

[Nintendotwins]

Why dont people just stop complaining about why Sonic is good or bad and just talk about this Sonic Unleashed.

Well there's barely information on Unleashed so of course we'll yabber about the poor quality of recent Sonic Team games.

We could just talk about the screens and video that were just released.

Yeah, I agree. Why can't we chat about the screenshots and videos so far released?

[Adios]

Okay... Well anyone else notice that Sonic's hand goes straight through his quill in one of the screenshots?

I mean I'm certain that's awesome for the first revelation of the game!

[BoonMcNougat]

Okay... Well anyone else notice that Sonic's hand goes straight through his quill in one of the screenshots?

I mean I'm certain that's awesome for the first revelation of the game!

Werewolf state gives him ghost powers? Extreme.

[big willy]

this game will rock :D

*saves up money*

[Adios]

this game will rock :D

*saves up money*

This game may rock. Colour me cautious...

Not only that he looks like a douche as Were-Sonic... :?

[Nintendotwins]

this game will rock :D

*saves up money*

This game may rock. Colour me cautious...

Not only that he looks like a douche as Were-Sonic... :?

I think it looks awesome. If the game is multiplatform, what console should I get it on? 360 or wii? hmm....

[Adios]

Judging by the resolution of the pictures alone, I don't think it's going to be released on the Wii...

Anyone else find it disconcerting that there is a Speed Bar and an Energy Ring Bar?

[KoKoO_Psy]

I honestly don't see it coming to wii, it looks to curvy, and the graphics quality reminds me a lot of Sonic(360/PS3), even though he is his cutesy self now rather then tall pikaman equivalent.

But if it does come, ill buy it no doubt, fanboyisam sucks... :( sonic rock! :D

see it cant be helped! :wink:

[Nintendotwins]

I honestly don't see it coming to wii, it looks to curvy, and the graphics quality reminds me a lot of Sonic(360/PS3), even though he is his cutesy self now rather then tall pikaman equivalent.

But if it does come, ill buy it no doubt, fanboyisam sucks... :( sonic rock! :D

see it cant be helped! :wink:

Well it might be for wii since it looks like sonic and the secret rings gameplay.

[Adios]

How does that make any sense at all?!

I'm certain that SEGA can take the lessons they've learned from one console and put it on a new console.

[Rooney]

Looks like the video has been taken down from Youtube because of a "infringement claimed by SEGA of America."

[AceAussie]

It looks great, Please Sonic Team, Don't ruin this one

[Nintendotwins]

It looks great, Please Sonic Team, Don't ruin this one

I don't think that they will. The game looks to good for it to be ruined. I hope that they don't have pointless missions in it like they did with sonic the hedgehog on PS3 and the 360.

[Boo!]

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/3afhbn.jpg

Green Xbox 360 button or just something else?

[Adios]

I will repeat: WHY IS THERE A SPEED BAR?!

What the hell Sega? We don't need to know how fast we're running, we just need to be running, constantly. Having a speed bar suggests that we will be slowing down...

Frick I'm really not looking forward to this game...

[Rooney]

They were confirmed to be 360 screens the day this game was leaked. But some sources say it will also be coming out on Wii, and will be revealed in the Official Nintendo Magazine (UK) in the August issue. I dont know how credible the sources are, so we will just have to wait and see.

[Nintendotwins]

They were confirmed to be 360 screens the day this game was leaked. But some sources say it will also be coming out on Wii, and will be revealed in the Official Nintendo Magazine (UK) in the August issue. I dont know how credible the sources are, so we will just have to wait and see.

What I want to know is that will the 360 version have better graphics then the wii version if it is multiplatform?

[TSPhoenix]

I'm not that worried about the speed bar as SEGA don't really do bars normal. Remeber Rush's bar that filled up three times over. I do agree it seems redundant. Same for the other bar, I won't sit here speculating and will only judge when I know when it is.

As for that shot that supposedly has a GameCube A button, explain to me why said floating object leaves a shadow if its supposedly part of the HUD?

[Scott]

I will repeat: WHY IS THERE A SPEED BAR?!

What the hell Sega? We don't need to know how fast we're running, we just need to be running, constantly. Having a speed bar suggests that we will be slowing down...

Frick I'm really not looking forward to this game...

... That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

[Luigifan]

They were confirmed to be 360 screens the day this game was leaked. But some sources say it will also be coming out on Wii, and will be revealed in the Official Nintendo Magazine (UK) in the August issue. I dont know how credible the sources are, so we will just have to wait and see.

What I want to know is that will the 360 version have better graphics then the wii version if it is multiplatform?

Yes, it will have better graphics almost certainly. The wii could have good graphics if this isn't being made for the PS2.

[bigsim]

I will repeat: WHY IS THERE A SPEED BAR?!

What the hell Sega? We don't need to know how fast we're running, we just need to be running, constantly. Having a speed bar suggests that we will be slowing down...

Frick I'm really not looking forward to this game...

... That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Why? I agree wholeheartedly with Adios. Sonic + Complexity = Not Cool. Even Rush's tension meter and bonus moves and stuff were too much.

Lol, They aren't turning back to the 2-D games. If sonic being in 3-D is really that bad as you say it is, then Sega won't just die down. Because of the other characters/games they make. They are't going back to 2-D. Its the past get over it. Go play your 2-D sonic games if you love it that much.

Kiru is right, this thread is about sonic unleashed.


If you're going to disagree with stuff that I say, please actually address the stuff that I say. Don't just repeat the same thing mindlessly.

[Nintendotwins]

I will repeat: WHY IS THERE A SPEED BAR?!

What the hell Sega? We don't need to know how fast we're running, we just need to be running, constantly. Having a speed bar suggests that we will be slowing down...

Frick I'm really not looking forward to this game...

... That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Why? I agree wholeheartedly with Adios. Sonic + Complexity = Not Cool. Even Rush's tension meter and bonus moves and stuff were too much.

Lol, They aren't turning back to the 2-D games. If sonic being in 3-D is really that bad as you say it is, then Sega won't just die down. Because of the other characters/games they make. They are't going back to 2-D. Its the past get over it. Go play your 2-D sonic games if you love it that much.

Kiru is right, this thread is about sonic unleashed.


If you're going to disagree with stuff that I say, please actually address the stuff that I say. Don't just repeat the same thing mindlessly.

Sonic Rush's metre was completly for a different purpose. That was to go super speed.

Sonic and the secret rings had a bar for time and speed break. This could be for another purpose.

Actually you are the one being mindlessly posting that they should make 2-D games instead of 3-D ones. Seriously, how many ideas can you make with a 2-D game? Thats just stupid.

[bigsim]

Christ, you're breaking my brain. This is the last thing I'm going to say on the matter, since you're clearly not reading what I'm writing anyway.

One more dimension doesn't automatically make a better game.

[Nintendotwins]

You, bigsim, is what I call narrow minded. You only think what suits you and what you like the best. Do you see them making 2-D games for anything else? The only 2-D game I've seen them make in a long time is Contra 4 for the DS. Please go complain else where, since we are here to talk about sonic unleashed. This argument is getting old now, just like the 2-D sonic games are.

[Scott]

Actually you are the one being mindlessly posting that they should make 2-D games instead of 3-D ones. Seriously, how many ideas can you make with a 2-D game? Thats just stupid.

You, bigsim, is what I call narrow minded.

OBJECTION!! Lol, anyway, that is a little hypocritical.

As for what Adios said, who doesn't look forward to a game because of a meter on the screen?

[bigsim]

You have a point, but judging by the past Sonic game's I can't say I blame Adios for his thinking.

Also Nintendotwins - were you dropped on your head as a baby? Seriously, are you even thinking about what you write?

[Adam]

Both you guys just seem to be saying the same thing. But I agree with Nintendotwins... 2-D is in the past.

Wanting them to keep making games like the old Sonics, and sticking by them is like me saying...

The best RPG Square made was Secret Of Mana... I don't even know why they bother trying to make new RPG's.

Sure, the 2D sonics are better... but... it's over. it's over.

Getting back to the topic, if this finds a release on PS3 I'll get it. Seems like it's quite a possibility still. Even though everything
is still up in the air.

[Nintendotwins]

Both you guys just seem to be saying the same thing. But I agree with Nintendotwins... 2-D is in the past.

Wanting them to keep making games like the old Sonics, and sticking buy them is like me saying...

The best RPG Square made was Secret Of Mana... I don't even know why they bother trying to make new RPG's.

Sure, the 2D sonics are better... but... it's over. it's over.

Thankyou. See bigsim, this is one guy who has brains. Its over. The past is the past. Just get over it. You know that I'm right, alot of people here are just getting sick and tired of your complaining. We are here to talk about sonic unleashed. I don't know why you even bother to come back and post in this thread if your going to complain about sonics games now days.

Sega aren't going to change their games just for you.

[Scott]

Both you guys just seem to be saying the same thing. But I agree with Nintendotwins... 2-D is in the past.

Wanting them to keep making games like the old Sonics, and sticking buy them is like me saying...

The best RPG Square made was Secret Of Mana... I don't even know why they bother trying to make new RPG's.

Sure, the 2D sonics are better... but... it's over. it's over.

Thankyou. See bigsim, this is one guy who has brains. Its over. The past is the past. Just get over it. You know that I'm right, alot of people here are just getting sick and tired of your complaining. We are here to talk about sonic unleashed. I don't know why you even bother to come back and post in this thread if your going to complain about sonics games now days.

Sega aren't going to change their games just for you.

You... should stop this soon...

Also, just because the majority of the games nowadays are 3D doesn't mean there isn't any room for 2D.

[Adam]

Both you guys just seem to be saying the same thing. But I agree with Nintendotwins... 2-D is in the past.

Wanting them to keep making games like the old Sonics, and sticking buy them is like me saying...

The best RPG Square made was Secret Of Mana... I don't even know why they bother trying to make new RPG's.

Sure, the 2D sonics are better... but... it's over. it's over.

Thankyou. See bigsim, this is one guy who has brains. Its over. The past is the past. Just get over it. You know that I'm right, alot of people here are just getting sick and tired of your complaining. We are here to talk about sonic unleashed. I don't know why you even bother to come back and post in this thread if your going to complain about sonics games now days.

Sega aren't going to change their games just for you.

You... should stop this soon...

Also, just because the majority of the games nowadays are 3D doesn't mean there isn't any room for 2D.

Yeah, wasn't really expecting that sort of response. :)

But, if there's any hope for sonic, we all need to do our best to give this game a chance.
Even though we all have pre-conceived ideas about it. We need to drop them.

And when it comes out, compare it to the other 3D sonic games as well, not just the older 2D games.

[Nintendotwins]

Both you guys just seem to be saying the same thing. But I agree with Nintendotwins... 2-D is in the past.

Wanting them to keep making games like the old Sonics, and sticking buy them is like me saying...

The best RPG Square made was Secret Of Mana... I don't even know why they bother trying to make new RPG's.

Sure, the 2D sonics are better... but... it's over. it's over.

Thankyou. See bigsim, this is one guy who has brains. Its over. The past is the past. Just get over it. You know that I'm right, alot of people here are just getting sick and tired of your complaining. We are here to talk about sonic unleashed. I don't know why you even bother to come back and post in this thread if your going to complain about sonics games now days.

Sega aren't going to change their games just for you.

You... should stop this soon...

Also, just because the majority of the games nowadays are 3D doesn't mean there isn't any room for 2D.

I know that Scotts. I want to stop this now. I want to talk about sonic unleashed with people. I want people like bigsim to just stop complaining. And that sega aren't going to make a sonic 2-D game now. They aren't turning back. There is some great 2-d games that they are still making like contra 4. Sonic just won't be apart of 2-D games anymore.

[bigsim]

Wanting them to keep making games like the old Sonics, and sticking by them is like me saying...

The best RPG Square made was Secret Of Mana... I don't even know why they bother trying to make new RPG's.

It's nothing like that at all. For one, the 3D Square RPGs play fundamentally the same as the 2D ones. For another, the 3D Square RPGs are still good.

Nintendotwins, I don't know that you're right - I know that you're clearly an idiot. But I'm happy to talk about Sonic Unleashed. If it's a good game, I'll buy it, no matter how many dimensions it has. If it's not a good game, well, I won't. The thing about Sonic is that its fundamental characteristics make it very unlikely that there will ever be an effective 3D Sonic game.

[Adam]

Wanting them to keep making games like the old Sonics, and sticking by them is like me saying...

The best RPG Square made was Secret Of Mana... I don't even know why they bother trying to make new RPG's.

It's nothing like that at all. For one, the 3D Square RPGs play fundamentally the same as the 2D ones. For another, the 3D Square RPGs are still good.



You see, that's the thing. I think that they're craphouse. Whos' right and who's wrong? I think the 3D sonics are still good.

Just gotta drop it all together now... lolz.

[Nintendotwins]

Wanting them to keep making games like the old Sonics, and sticking by them is like me saying...

The best RPG Square made was Secret Of Mana... I don't even know why they bother trying to make new RPG's.

It's nothing like that at all. For one, the 3D Square RPGs play fundamentally the same as the 2D ones. For another, the 3D Square RPGs are still good.

Nintendotwins, I don't know that you're right - I know that you're clearly an idiot. But I'm happy to talk about Sonic Unleashed. If it's a good game, I'll buy it, no matter how many dimensions it has. If it's not a good game, well, I won't. The thing about Sonic is that its fundamental characteristics make it very unlikely that there will ever be an effective 3D Sonic game.

Finally! Thankyou my friend. I think that the characteristics of this game looks awesome. It has nice, colourful graphics, it looks like it has awesome gameplay and hopefully the soundtrack will be good (which I think that the soundtrack has been awesome in each sonic game)

[TSPhoenix]

Well they really need to go back to level design school then because until they do they need stuff like the tension gauge to compensate for the inevitability of you stopping dead frequently.

Sonic needs complexity, but in the mechanics is probably the wrong place for it. Again I suggest the level design, fill it with clever and complex. Without good level design Sonic is nothing more than holding left with the occasional tap of A.

[Nintendotwins]

Well they really need to go back to level design school then because until they do they need stuff like the tension gauge to compensate for the inevitability of you stopping dead frequently.

Sonic needs complexity, but in the mechanics is probably the wrong place for it. Again I suggest the level design, fill it with clever and complex. Without good level design Sonic is nothing more than holding left with the occasional tap of A.

That is true, with crap level design, sonic games would just be shit hole on a stick. But It hink that the level design is good enough.

[Adios]

That is true, with crap level design, sonic games would just be shit hole on a stick. But It hink that the level design is good enough.

No, I don't think the level design has been good for a long long while in Sonic games. For example in The Secret Rings, the good bits of the game were when you were running and making split second decisions. The game just got horrendous when they slammed a door and it was freakin' designed for you to turn around and defeat enemies. You don't want to do that in a Sonic game, you shouldn't have to do that in a Sonic game. Enemies should act as obstacles that are optional to defeat, not paramount to proceed.

Both you guys just seem to be saying the same thing. But I agree with Nintendotwins... 2-D is in the past.

Sure, the 2D sonics are better... but... it's over. it's over.

I don't see this way. If it is over, why is it that the most promising 3D Sonic to be released in some time (The Secret Rings) is, basically, 2D? You are running down a completely linear pathway and you move left and right... Sounds like 2D sensibilities to me. And not only that, why is it that there is a 2D screenshot of Sonic running through a loop for this game? (Not sure if it's in this thread, saw it on another forum)

If anything, Sonic is going back to it's 2D roots, albeit in a slightly next gen-y look to tricksies people :P.

2D is still a valid design scheme. New Super Mario Bros. sold millions, Viewtiful Joe was praised as was LocoRoco and Patapon. Hell, even the Sonic games on GBA and DS were reviewed favorably because it delivered Sonic gameplay, which 3D Sonics have, in my opinion, lost dramatically.

And the reason we aren't talking about Sonic Unleashed Nintendotwins is because there is absolutely no information on it so far. Other then being able to play as a freakin' WereSonic... :roll: Yeah that will go REAL fast Sega...

[Adam]

Sure, the 2D sonics are better... but... it's over. it's over.

I don't see this way. If it is over, why is it that the most promising 3D Sonic to be released in some time (The Secret Rings) is, basically, 2D? You are running down a completely linear pathway and you move left and right... Sounds like 2D sensibilities to me. And not only that, why is it that there is a 2D screenshot of Sonic running through a loop for this game? (Not sure if it's in this thread, saw it on another forum)

If anything, Sonic is going back to it's 2D roots, albeit in a slightly next gen-y look to tricksies people :P.

2D is still a valid design scheme. New Super Mario Bros. sold millions, Viewtiful Joe was praised as was LocoRoco and Patapon. Hell, even the Sonic games on GBA and DS were reviewed favorably because it delivered Sonic gameplay, which 3D Sonics have, in my opinion, lost dramatically.

And the reason we aren't talking about Sonic Unleashed Nintendotwins is because there is absolutely no information on it so far. Other then being able to play as a freakin' WereSonic... :roll: Yeah that will go REAL fast Sega...

Great. Thanks. Now you'll have them arguing again.

But yeah, you're right - there's a big difference between 3D Graphics and 3D Gameplay.

[Kiru]

Why doesn't bigsim and Nintendotwins just both shut up. By those screnshots it looks to be what both of you want.

1. There seems to be 2D sidescrolling like in Sonic Rush which is seen in the video.

2. There is also 3D gameplay with Sonic and the Secret Rings syle as shown in this picture
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/Rooney6969/20080318-121815-000004400x225.jpg

There. Now stop complaining about everything other than this game and start actually talking about the actual game that this thread was made for.

[Nintendotwins]

That is true, with crap level design, sonic games would just be shit hole on a stick. But It hink that the level design is good enough.

No, I don't think the level design has been good for a long long while in Sonic games. For example in The Secret Rings, the good bits of the game were when you were running and making split second decisions. The game just got horrendous when they slammed a door and it was freakin' designed for you to turn around and defeat enemies. You don't want to do that in a Sonic game, you shouldn't have to do that in a Sonic game. Enemies should act as obstacles that are optional to defeat, not paramount to proceed.

Both you guys just seem to be saying the same thing. But I agree with Nintendotwins... 2-D is in the past.

Sure, the 2D sonics are better... but... it's over. it's over.

I don't see this way. If it is over, why is it that the most promising 3D Sonic to be released in some time (The Secret Rings) is, basically, 2D? You are running down a completely linear pathway and you move left and right... Sounds like 2D sensibilities to me. And not only that, why is it that there is a 2D screenshot of Sonic running through a loop for this game? (Not sure if it's in this thread, saw it on another forum)

If anything, Sonic is going back to it's 2D roots, albeit in a slightly next gen-y look to tricksies people :P.

2D is still a valid design scheme. New Super Mario Bros. sold millions, Viewtiful Joe was praised as was LocoRoco and Patapon. Hell, even the Sonic games on GBA and DS were reviewed favorably because it delivered Sonic gameplay, which 3D Sonics have, in my opinion, lost dramatically.

And the reason we aren't talking about Sonic Unleashed Nintendotwins is because there is absolutely no information on it so far. Other then being able to play as a freakin' WereSonic... :roll: Yeah that will go REAL fast Sega...

So what? I liked sonic and the secret rings. Some other people on this site do too. And is haveing to kill a few enemies such a hard task? No. It's not. What is such the rush that you can't go back and kill the enemies. Sonic and the secret rings was a fantastic game IMO. It was a new idea all together. I didn't like it at first, I wanted to return the game. But it was night time so then I said heck why not play the game just a little bit more. I had given the game a chance and I had liked every bit of it.

I find the level design quiet good of sonic games. They are great to me, my favourite level in Sonic and the secret rings was night palace. I found it awesome riding on a magic carpet.

Sonic's 3-D games may have lost sega ab it of $$$. But when you think about it, they are still going really good. They have just released sonic riders zero gravity, they are still to release sega super star tennis, sonic unleashed and the sonic rpg game. I think that they are going very good.

They had lost some money with the dreamcast, but I'm happy that the dreamcast wasn't a success. Becuase if it was, that way sega wouldn't be releasing games with sony, nintendo and microsoft.

[Boo!]

They had lost some money with the dreamcast, but I'm happy that the dreamcast wasn't a success. Becuase if it was, that way sega wouldn't be releasing games with sony, nintendo and microsoft.


BLASPHEMY!!

:lol:

Anyway, I don't get why everyone keeps telling each other to shut up - the current discussion (or have we moved on now?) is about the viability of 2D/3D gameplay in a Sonic game, and that definitely fits into this thread; just as Sonic Unleashed seems to be going with both, as Kiru so pointed out. Sonic talk in a Sonic thread...!

Anyway, just to add to the 2D/3D conversation, I very much do think 2D gameplay (and graphics for that matter) are essential to games today. As Adios pointed out, games like New Super Mario Bros., Patapon and Viewtiful Joe were all great games using 2D ideologies, and to further the point, I'm going to add a few extra games that will certainly make you sure 2D gameplay is still a viable and well-loved convention of gaming.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl anyone?

Now it might just be me, but does anyone else not want to see Nintendo's fighter foray into 3D gameplay? And hey, what about all those DS games? Phoenix Wright? 2D. Jump! Super Stars? 2D. Advance Wars? 2D.

Rather then point out the glutton of great 2D games already gracing the DS (plus the cries for '2D Metroid Dread!' and 'Donkey Kong Country 4'!), why not look at a game that shows us that both 2D and 3D gameplay are viable options in today's gaming world? Super Paper Mario. Going hand in hand, the 2D gameplay intuitively worked together with the 3D gameplay, and for that I think Nintendo deserve a pat on the back. SEGA could use the title for inspiration for a new Sonic title, easily. No, not the 'switch between 2D and 3D with a click of a button', but just the combination and choice between 2D and 3D.

2D is a viable style of gameplay, so there isn't any point in saying 'it's in the past', because clearly 2D gameplay is valid today.

[Adam]

If you hadn't noticed, I said the 2D games sonic had made previously "we're in the past.". I'm sorry if I worded that wrong.

Was Super Paper Mario 3D, was it?

I only thought it was 1D and 2D. the normal mode, which you just moved straight in a line, backwards and forwards.
Then mario's mode, where you moved backwards/forwards and side-to-side.

Hmm...

[Nintendotwins]

Yes, but this is sega we are talking about. You tell me when was the last time they have made a 2-D game? It was over 15 years ago my friend! Those games you have mentioned are great! I can't seet hem being in 3-D. Its just sonic you can. Why would they want to downgrade their games to 2-D?

So overall I think that sega would just get people saying in the end, "hey now why is your games 2-D?" I'm saying that 2-D is in sega's past.

[Adam]

In Sonic's Past. I know where you're coming from though. But, as people are saying... the newer sonic games... the graphics are 3D, but some gameplay mechanics from 2-D are there.

[Boo!]

If you hadn't noticed, I said the 2D games sonic had made previously "we're in the past.". I'm sorry if I worded that wrong.

Don't worry, it wasn't a stab at anyone Adam, just making a point that even though many claim that '2D [Sonic] is in the past' it doesn't mean that new Sonic games can't use the originals as a point of inspiration, including the 2D gameplay.

I think you've got what I'm getting at though, that it is a combination of 2D gameplay and 3D graphics that people want from a new Sonic. But, I have a suspicion that others are getting confused between 2D gameplay and 2D graphics.

Was Super Paper Mario 3D, was it?

I only thought it was 1D and 2D. the normal mode, which you just moved straight in a line, backwards and forwards.
Then mario's mode, where you moved backwards/forwards and side-to-side.

Hmm...

You may be very right, I haven't actually played the game, just watched videos, but I don't think the left-to-right is considered 1D, as you also have another axis to go up-and-down. I may be very wrong though...

Yes, but this is sega we are talking about. You tell me when was the last time they have made a 2-D game? It was over 15 years ago my friend! Those games you have mentioned are great! I can't seet hem being in 3-D. Its just sonic you can. Why would they want to downgrade their games to 2-D?

So overall I think that sega would just get people saying in the end, "hey now why is your games 2-D?" I'm saying that 2-D is in sega's past.

Sonic Rush Adventure? That was last year wasn't it?

Oh, and to point out, using 2D gameplay is not a downgrade in their games, as you so put it. They aren't downgrading their graphics to 2D, they're just switching the gameplay into 2D, and anyone who looks at it and says "hey now why is your games 2-D?" would have to be either stupid or just not using the correct terms to express what they mean.

2D is not a downgrade. I would much rather play a new 2D game if it was good over a new 3D game if it was average.

The number of dimensions is not relative to the quality of the game.

Ahem.. carry on. :)

[Nintendotwins]

No, sonic rush adventure is different. It gameplay looks from a 2-D perspective, but actually isn't that much "2-D" from how contra 4 is or Jump ultimate stars. Sonic rush is 3-D that looks from a 2-D perspective. If you have played the water ski + boat mini games, that is 3-D in Sonic rush adventure. So my point is that not all of the game does look from a 2-D angle.

Also, there is a chance that sega may make a 2-D game on the DS. I am talking about that sega won't make a 2-D sonic game on A major console such as the wii.

lol, boo. You don't have to bold the sentence and tell me that that "The number of dimensions is not relative to the quality of the game." Because I know that. Jump Ultimate stars, Phoenix wright and all of the old retro games were all awesome. I like 2-D games. It doesn't make a difference to me what the dimension of the game is. 2-D or 3-D I don't care. My point is that sega aren't making any more 2-D games on major consoles. Thats all I was trying to point out to bigsim.

So there you have it. Infact, some 2-D games I like way better then 3-D games. But here we are only talking about Sega.

[TSPhoenix]

You still don't get it, SONIC RUSH IS A 2D GAME!!! He may look 3D but he can only move in two dimensions. The water ski game is 3D yes, but is built around mainly 2D design philosophies due to being on rails. Most on-rails games are like that, if you straighten the levels into a long lone they can be reduced to something mostly linear.

*mumble mumble* If anyone needs me, I'll be in the angry dome.

[Adam]

True. 3-D that looks from a 2-D perspective... is 2D.

[Kiru]

True. 3-D that looks from a 2-D perspective... is 2D.

My assumption is that sidescrolling = 2D.

[Nintendotwins]

You still don't get it, SONIC RUSH IS A 2D GAME!!! He may look 3D but he can only move in two dimensions. The water ski game is 3D yes, but is built around mainly 2D design philosophies due to being on rails. Most on-rails games are like that, if you straighten the levels into a long lone they can be reduced to something mostly linear.

*mumble mumble* If anyone needs me, I'll be in the angry dome.


lol, Yes but I am talking about sega's past with bigsim. I'm saying that sega has changed over the past 15 years. He won't be getting a game like sonic the hedgehog. Sega aren't making them. Sonic rush is different. Not alot of people did buy it like sonic the hedgehog 3.

[TSPhoenix]

Nintendo weren't making games with motion control until they were. Similarly its possible for SEGA to make games like Sonic 3 and if it happens it will be when they do.

[Adios]

So what? I liked sonic and the secret rings. Some other people on this site do too. And is haveing to kill a few enemies such a hard task? No. It's not. What is such the rush that you can't go back and kill the enemies. Sonic and the secret rings was a fantastic game IMO. It was a new idea all together. I didn't like it at first, I wanted to return the game. But it was night time so then I said heck why not play the game just a little bit more. I had given the game a chance and I had liked every bit of it.

It's not that it's a hard task per say, it's just that I've been brought up with the idea that Sonic games are about speed, and emphasizing that speed as much as possible. That's the fundamental problem I have with all the 3D Sonic games as there were always sections that ground you to a halt and made you defeat enemies to proceed. Have you ever noticed how much easier it is to control Sonic in 3D & 2D titles when he's running fast? It's fun, it's enjoyable. Have you also noticed how horrendous Sonic controls when he's not running? How slow he is in both 2D and 3D? He simply doesn't have any weight to him, which gives him a weird sense of inertia and horrendous controls.

That wouldn't be so much of a problem if Sega, in their pure brilliance, didn't make you defeat enemies in that state. It's an absolutely horrendous combat engine, simplistic and slow and it totally goes against every other aspect of the game that emphasizes speed. I wouldn't mind if Sonic slowed down and you defeated enemies, that's fine, it's just Sega have to realize they have to fix how Sonic controls when he's not running, otherwise the combat will always be terrible. It's poor game design because the switch between each is so jarring and totally contradict one another. It's like giving Mario a small jump.

Case in point, Shadow The Hedgehog had enormous potential I believe. I thought that Sega would incorporate the gun properly and finally make a truly amazing 3D Sonic. Can you imagine this: (because this is what I was imagining) Shadow running down a ramp, leaping off it and flying through the air, enemies circle around him and keep up with you as you fly and, keeping your momentum, you shoot them out of the sky, landing perfectly and keeping your speed as you continue running, blasting enemies left, right and centre. I mean that would be amazing, but Sega didn't keep the freaking momentum! You usually had to completely stop while firing your weapon and move through some levels painfully slowly, eliminating a group of enemies....

I mean what the F*ck? How is that in any way a Sonic game? Nintendotwins, you say "why are you in such a rush that you can't go back and kill the enemies?"... Let's see because Sega pace the level as such that you're building up this incredible momentum and then slams a door in front of you, completely obliterating that progression of speed they were creating. Why do Sega promise you speed and then place these random intervals of forced combat in their game? It's completely breaking Sonic tradition! Sure you can say that franchises evolve and change... but you don't alter a fundamental design scheme that makes a game! Again I use a Mario analogy, it's as if Nintendo decided to make a Mario game with platforms completely out of your reach and gave Mario horrendous jumping abilities. Or even no platforms at all.

It's just wrong. Plain and simple.

We can, of course Nintendotwins, agree to disagree. I mean that's why I find 3D Sonic games so frustrating, but that's just my opinion.

[majTahahl]

possible confirmation (http://kotaku.com/373681/sega-confirms-sonic-unleashed-leaks).

[Boo!]

"Sega countersued saying Sonic hasn't been newsworthy for years."

XD

[TSPhoenix]

I watched a speedrun of Metal Harbour on SA2, what was interesting is how the player skipped pretty much every enemy. It was quicker to do a spindash and jump over an chasm than to homing attack the enemies across it. Not only that he skips every single loop-de-loop as well.

[Rooney]

Front page updated with Official site and Debut Trailer.
Updated Platforms : Xbox 360, Playstation 3, Wii.

[KoKoO_Psy]

I watched a speedrun of Metal Harbour on SA2, what was interesting is how the player skipped pretty much every enemy. It was quicker to do a spindash and jump over an chasm than to homing attack the enemies across it. Not only that he skips every single loop-de-loop as well.

I agree with this, if one goes back to SA1 and SA2, the levels are designed in a way, that if you did try and take out every enemy, and run every loop, and stay on track, an A Rank would be close to impossible. and as much fun as it can be trying to find major shortcut to help improve your time. the game however is far more fun if you follow the enemies, and dont go to fast, because you all should know sonic isnt about speed.

[Adam]

It also says on that site that it is coming to PS2 as well.

I'm happy it's heading to PS3. Though it's still too far away to get excited yet.

[TSPhoenix]

Well PS3 was a given. So its coming to Wii, that is slightly worrisome. Obviously it won't look as nice but the real question is whether it'll even be the same game, will it be its own lead a PS2 port or a PS3/360 port?

[Adam]

Well, I'd say it'll be a PS2 port with worse controls. But, that's me being negative.
It's just... for the most part... i've lost faith in Wii ports.

This could be the turn-around though. Here's hoping.

[Nintendotwins]

So what? I liked sonic and the secret rings. Some other people on this site do too. And is haveing to kill a few enemies such a hard task? No. It's not. What is such the rush that you can't go back and kill the enemies. Sonic and the secret rings was a fantastic game IMO. It was a new idea all together. I didn't like it at first, I wanted to return the game. But it was night time so then I said heck why not play the game just a little bit more. I had given the game a chance and I had liked every bit of it.

It's not that it's a hard task per say, it's just that I've been brought up with the idea that Sonic games are about speed, and emphasizing that speed as much as possible. That's the fundamental problem I have with all the 3D Sonic games as there were always sections that ground you to a halt and made you defeat enemies to proceed. Have you ever noticed how much easier it is to control Sonic in 3D & 2D titles when he's running fast? It's fun, it's enjoyable. Have you also noticed how horrendous Sonic controls when he's not running? How slow he is in both 2D and 3D? He simply doesn't have any weight to him, which gives him a weird sense of inertia and horrendous controls.

That wouldn't be so much of a problem if Sega, in their pure brilliance, didn't make you defeat enemies in that state. It's an absolutely horrendous combat engine, simplistic and slow and it totally goes against every other aspect of the game that emphasizes speed. I wouldn't mind if Sonic slowed down and you defeated enemies, that's fine, it's just Sega have to realize they have to fix how Sonic controls when he's not running, otherwise the combat will always be terrible. It's poor game design because the switch between each is so jarring and totally contradict one another. It's like giving Mario a small jump.

Case in point, Shadow The Hedgehog had enormous potential I believe. I thought that Sega would incorporate the gun properly and finally make a truly amazing 3D Sonic. Can you imagine this: (because this is what I was imagining) Shadow running down a ramp, leaping off it and flying through the air, enemies circle around him and keep up with you as you fly and, keeping your momentum, you shoot them out of the sky, landing perfectly and keeping your speed as you continue running, blasting enemies left, right and centre. I mean that would be amazing, but Sega didn't keep the freaking momentum! You usually had to completely stop while firing your weapon and move through some levels painfully slowly, eliminating a group of enemies....

I mean what the F*ck? How is that in any way a Sonic game? Nintendotwins, you say "why are you in such a rush that you can't go back and kill the enemies?"... Let's see because Sega pace the level as such that you're building up this incredible momentum and then slams a door in front of you, completely obliterating that progression of speed they were creating. Why do Sega promise you speed and then place these random intervals of forced combat in their game? It's completely breaking Sonic tradition! Sure you can say that franchises evolve and change... but you don't alter a fundamental design scheme that makes a game! Again I use a Mario analogy, it's as if Nintendo decided to make a Mario game with platforms completely out of your reach and gave Mario horrendous jumping abilities. Or even no platforms at all.

It's just wrong. Plain and simple.

We can, of course Nintendotwins, agree to disagree. I mean that's why I find 3D Sonic games so frustrating, but that's just my opinion.

Here we go again.

Ok. This is a matter of opinion. I repect that. I know that alot of people didn't like the gameplay style. But IMO, I really enjoyed it. It had awesome gameplay, I likes the whole "leveling" up thing. That had made the game more interesting. The storyline I found was great. I really enjoyed it. The music was pretty good, had really catchy songs that was suck in my mind all day lol.

Anyway, is going back to kill one enemy such a bother or is some people metally challenged that they can't go back and kill an enimey? If it was me I would have killed an enemy already. You don't run that fast that you don't have time to kill it. Thats why there is the homing attack. I don't see why do you really have such a big issue with this?

Shadow the hedgehog was ok, not the best though. I found it more of a spin off type adding this whole black doom thing. Black doom wasn't originally meant to be shadows creator anyway. I did enjoy ring cars, and what not. The guns did make it interesting.

Anyway, like you said, this is a matter of opinion.

[Killer Kirby]

http://i30.tinypic.com/2ymwrro.jpg
nuff said

[Nintendotwins]

http://i30.tinypic.com/2ymwrro.jpg
nuff said

Well by the look of it, that chart is true except for the part I am not disappointed with the new games and infact I love them, the only game I was disappointed was with Shadow the Hedgehog only because the guns didn't suit it and it sort of got lost....but now Sonic has picked up :D

[Hyper the Mewtroid]

http://i30.tinypic.com/2ymwrro.jpg
nuff said

Well by the look of it, that chart is true except for the part I am not disappointed with the new games and infact I love them, the only game I was disappointed was with Shadow the Hedgehog only because the guns didn't suit it and it sort of got lost....but now Sonic has picked up :D
You actually liked Sonic the Hedgehog on Xbox 360/Playstation 3? You brave boy.

[Nintendotwins]

Yes. It had pointless missions, I agree it wasn't the best but I still find it awesome.

[Adios]

Dear lord... You're insane Nintendotwins... I could accept to agree to disagree before but if you liked Sonic The Hedgehog...

No it's alright! Just wow... I find it really unbelievable is all :P

I guess the main problem I have with Sonic games, when I cut out down all my long long posts above, is that they never feel polished.

[Rooney]

Front page updated with new Teaser.

[Saq]

A Hedgehog/werewolf?

>.>;
I'd say its his new enemy, rather than a new Sonic transformation/form/mutation.

[Fox McCloud]

This is looking very nice indeed ^^

[Rooney]

Ah, thank you Aussie (presumably) for differentiating the two threads. Just wondering why you replaced the GameTrailers videos with the Dailymotion ones though?

[Nintendotwins]

Dear lord... You're insane Nintendotwins... I could accept to agree to disagree before but if you liked Sonic The Hedgehog...

No it's alright! Just wow... I find it really unbelievable is all :P

I guess the main problem I have with Sonic games, when I cut out down all my long long posts above, is that they never feel polished.

Well I find it polished lol.

Also, is the PS3/360 version different to the wii version?

[Rooney]

Ah, thank you Aussie (presumably) for differentiating the two threads. Just wondering why you replaced the GameTrailers videos with the Dailymotion ones though?

Why because i got that first trailer from Sega Australia and i feel its a better video to look at then the one GameTrailers has up, as for the new one.. :P

You mean the Official Trailer is better to look at then the leaked one? Because I actually replaced the leaked one with the official one when it was revealed. I was also wondering because GameTrailers has the superior quality. But, whatever you want I am happy to abide by.

[JTM]

Also, is the PS3/360 version different to the wii version?


It won't be. There hasn't been a PS3/360 to Wii port that has been exactly the same. Plus, I don't think the Wii would be capable of running the graphics shown in the first trailer.

This game is still looking good, as long as either the werewolf isn't playable or he plays very similarly to sonic.

The 2D gameplay looks more like sonic rush games than the old ones, which is good or bad depending on you're point of view. Good in my opinion though.

[Adios]

Oh what was that Nintendotwins?! Sega have left 2D Sonic behind! *Cough cough*!

:P !

[Nintendotwins]

Oh what was that Nintendotwins?! Sega have left 2D Sonic behind! *Cough cough*!

:P !

Well I was meaning full on 2-D, not 3-D looking on a 2-D angle.

[Dominion]

You can view Gamespot's latest Sonic Unleashed article here (http://au.gamespot.com/wii/action/sonicunleashed/news.html?sid=6191119&tag=nl.e578).

[nephilim]

"Sonic Unleashed:
-Frame rate is all over the place, and they are shooting for 30fps.
-You can do a drift turn with a boost at the end
-You can do side dodges without losing speed
-Looks “Beautiful”
-Very European level design. Back ground textures are nice.
-Sounds like PS360 is the lead sku being developed by Sonic Team alone
-Sega says Wii version Dimps is doing all the Day time levels, but Sonic team is still developing. Rep also said that other studios may be involved, but are trying to downplay it.
-Day time levels and Night time Levels are focus of the game (sonic and were-sonic)
-Sounds like all the Secret Rings Wii-Mote mechanics are gone. This one is Chuck+Mote and Gamecube controller."

Ign podcast summary
http://gonintendo.com/?p=43700

[TSPhoenix]

30fps seems a bit low for this kind of game. I know Sonic Adventure on the DC was only 30fps (Twinke Circuit was 60fps oddly enough) but the 360 hardware is that much more powerful it shouldn't be an issue.

Oh what was that Nintendotwins?! Sega have left 2D Sonic behind! *Cough cough*!

:P !
Well I was meaning full on 2-D, not 3-D looking on a 2-D angle.
We have been through this before. When people say 2D the common interpretation is 2D perspective and not 2D rendering. Therefore by using your idea you are just asking for misinterpretation. You can keep your meaning if you want but for all intensive purposes its wrong as nobody will understand it.

[KrissB]

Hmm. This game looks very promising. I like how Sonic can now drift around corners which, in my opinion, has the potential to dramaticaly evolve the gamepay for the better.

[TSPhoenix]

Hopefully, however I don't want to turn this into a racing game either.

[Adios]

I just don't want this to be a shoddy game...

Hang on wait there's a story yeah? Please let Sonic remain silent.

[KrissB]

Please let Sonic remain silent.

Oh god, yes please! In fact, why not just make the whole thing silent?

[TSPhoenix]

Talking I can deal with, as long as he lays off kissing princesses.

[Leon77]

New trailer featuring warehog footage.

http://www.youtube.com/v/7otO6GShwDI

[KoKoO_Psy]

saw the footage earlier, warehog looks slow, and uninspired.

[Raven]

*werehog. (a warehog would sell things I assume....)

I didnt mind the trailer, and think that this is shaping up to being a good game. Cant say 'great', but at least good. The werehog sections of the game seem to be the stuff that everybody hated from the sonic adventure titles... I saw kokoo_psys remark about the werehog being 'slow and uninspired' and took it with a grain of salt. I then watched the trailer, and have to agree.

[weirdozinc]

Well I must say, that after watching the newest trailer, the CG clips and the day time sections look very fast, fun and exactly what Sonic games should be. I'm indifferent on the night time sections at the moment 'cause we still really don't have enough info/footage to make a real decision.

The CG clips are very beautiful and the impression I get from Sonic, is that he's back to his old "pain in the egg" self, since he's smiling through most of it, and it looks like he's having a ball.

The day-time sections also look beautiful. They look, fun, fast and action packed. The only thing I'm a little worried about is what looks like Quick Time Events, though I can't tell if they are in fact QTEs or just visual warnings to let you know you can do something (ie. Just for show. You could do that stuff without the visuals). At least the tricks/stunts look like optional/no bad consequece things.

The night-time sections look great too. I'm getting a strong button-mashing/Onimusha kinda vibe though, and I'm very indifferent about it since I've never played those types of games due to no interest. Though like I said earlier, there's still too little info, and it's too early to tell at the moment.

I'm definitely keeping an eye out on this game, with more interest on the 360 version than the Wii one.

[TSPhoenix]

Yeah in SA2 you often got the feeling you could beat the game by tilting up and pressing A at the right time, now it just looks as if you tilt right and press the onscreen button when prompted. Enemies can be run right into and it seems too scripted.

For example;
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/425/snapshot20080716144046mn6.jpg
Here Sonic has wall kicked twice, he will land on the speed booster, he doesn't even have a choice of turning around and jumping on the roof behind him (assuming its possible). Its not a great example of branching issues but it does show how overly scripted the game is, the moment he did the first wall kick he was destined to land on that speed booster.

[Dominion]

I agree that the game looks too scripted. ^

Plus, the area of the game that doesn't look scripted (Werehog) looks really slow and cluncky, which is very bad for a Sonic game.

Hmm, looks like there will be a 4-player multiplayer mode as well.

[weirdozinc]

Yeah in SA2 you often got the feeling you could beat the game by tilting up and pressing A at the right time, now it just looks as if you tilt right and press the onscreen button when prompted. Enemies can be run right into and it seems too scripted.

For example;
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/425/snapshot20080716144046mn6.jpg
Here Sonic has wall kicked twice, he will land on the speed booster, he doesn't even have a choice of turning around and jumping on the roof behind him (assuming its possible). Its not a great example of branching issues but it does show how overly scripted the game is, the moment he did the first wall kick he was destined to land on that speed booster.

I think it's more for flow than anything. If played perfectly, everything should flow into a long chain of perfectly timed events, like a Rube Goldberg machine, or a speed run, but that's if you want to play it like that. If you want to play it a tad slower, explore a little, enjoy the scenery, or don't care if you make mistakes (hitting walls etc.), I guess you're entitled to that too.

Also, if you look at the trailer half a second back from that screenshot, you may notice another path Sonic could've jumped up that looks like it brings you over the building you've mentioned.