Franchises best and worst

[imaROBOT]

Whats your favourite and least favourite titles from any games franchise. eg- Zelda, Mario, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy etc.

For Mario- I'd say Super Mario 64 is best and Super Mario bros. 2 is my least fav.
Zelda- Oot is my fav and LttP is my least fav (of the 4 I've played)
Donkey Kong- DK64 was my fav, and stupid dk jr. maths or whatever it was is my least fav (who does maths for fun?) :?

[Krysinello]

OOT my fav, Zelda 2 my least of Zelda

Mario 64DS my fav Mario bros 2 my least fav of Mario

DKC my fav DK my least fav of donkey kong

[Reno]

Best Franchises IMO

MGS
Zelda
Final Fantasy
Tales of ...
Chrono
Dragon Quest
Sonic the Hedgehog
Pro Evolution

Worst IMO

Mortal Kombat
Any movie franchise e.g. Xmen games, Matrix games
Fifa

might add more when i think of them..

[PlasmaDavid]

Metroid Prime>Metroid Prime 2 :P (not played enough of all pre-Cube\GBA ones)
Majoras Mask>Zelda 2
Super Mario Sunshine>Super Mario Bros 2
Battalion Wars> EVERYTHING

[Kelvin]

Chrono: Chrono Trigger was the best but i wouldn't call Chrono Cross bad
Mario: Super Mario Bros. 1 was the best with Super Mario Bros. 2 being the worst
Final fantasy: VII being the best with tactics (GBA) being the worst
Zelda: OOT is the best with the worst being Links Awakening
Starfox: Lylat wars was the best with Starfox Adventures being the worst

[Nintendude]

BEST: Mario

WORST: Crash Bandicoot

[SWAT Doctor]

I've have to disagree with some of you saying that SMB2 was the worst Mario title it was one of my fav's I'm sure there were worse spin off titles like Mario's Time Machine or Mario is Missing that were worse than 2. oh and I'd Say SM64 was the best mario title

With the DK series I'd Say Donkey Kong Country 2 was the best DK title, with Donkey Kong 3 being the worst (NOT DKC 3)

Zelda, hands down OoT is the best with Zelda 2 being the worst.

Other franchises to try:

Mario Kart, I would say MKDS is the best With Double dash being the worst, (but Its still a very good game)

Star Fox: Lylat Wars was the best with Star Fox Adventures and Assault tied for worst

Resident Evil: I'd say RE4 is the best with RE gun survivor being the worst

Metroid: I'd say Super Metroid was the best, with at a close call Zero Mission being the worst,

[Adanac]

Zelda- Oot is my fav and LttP is my least fav (of the 4 I've played)


Oh man A Link to the Past is one of my fav snes games, out of curiousity (if u don't mind me asking) wut didn't u like out of it?

Anyways here's my list ( I tryed to compare games of roughly the same system)

Best:):):):|:(:(:(Worst

FF VII / FF VIII
A Link to the Past / Oracle of Ages
Super Mario All Stars/ Mario is Missing
MK 3 / MK
Mario Party 2 / Mario Party 3

Thats all I could think of for now.

[imaROBOT]

Zelda- Oot is my fav and LttP is my least fav (of the 4 I've played)


Oh man A Link to the Past is one of my fav snes games, out of curiousity (if u don't mind me asking) wut didn't u like out of it?

Anyways here's my list ( I tryed to compare games of roughly the same system)

Best:):):):|:(:(:(Worst

FF VII / FF VIII
A Link to the Past / Oracle of Ages
Super Mario All Stars/ Mario is Missing
MK 3 / MK
Mario Party 2 / Mario Party 3

Thats all I could think of for now.

I did like A Link to the Past, I just didn't like it as much as the others I have played. And yes I DO MIND YOU ASKING! nah not really. but All stars vs Mario is missing? thats a bit unfair, 4 games to 1 :wink:

[stoz]

Mario:
Best: Super Mario Brother 3
Worst: Mario Is Missing (maybe?)

Zelda:
Best: Ocarina of Time
Worst: Link's Awakening (although I still did like it)

Mario Party:
Best: Mario Party 6 (haven't played 7 yet)
Worst: Mario Party 3

Mario Kart:
Best: Mario Kart DS
Worst: Double Dash had akward controls, but was by no means a bad game

[snes101]

Metroid:
Best: Super Metroid & Metroid Prime
Worst: Metroid II: Return of Samus

Mario:
Best: Super Mario 64
Worst: Super Mario Bros 2. (Dunno why NoA picked Doki Doki Panic...)

Mario Kart:
Best: MKDS
Worst: Super Circut (Multiplayer's the key to Mario Kart, and you had to buy those horrid link cables and the game and the extra GBAs to set a decent game up.)

[JleeLink]

Zelda - Ocarina of Time the best, Adeventure of Link the worst
Final Fantasy - FFX best, least, well i dont know ive only played 2 so it's FFX-2
Metal Gear Solid - MGS2 best, least MGS Ghost Babel
Metroid - Best Metroid Prime 1, least, well i have only played 2 so it's MP2

[lewisy]

i think we can safely say OOT Mario64, mario bros, dk classic and goldern eye BEST GaMES ever

[·]

Best: Mario.
Worst: Superman (Does that count as a franchise? Nearly all appearances by the Supes have been god-awful)

[Adanac]

Mario All Stars and Mario is missing were both released for the snes. (I didn't think it was that bad of a comparison)
I liked Mario All Stars cause of the 4 games and hated Mario is Missing because of it's simple gameplay.

It's not as bad as comparing FF to FF VII lol

[captaincharisma]

Nintendos best franchise in ym opinion is Zelda with Mario coming in a VERY close second tied with Pokemon
I think the worst is Ice Climbers, i never really liked that (is that a Nintendo franchise?)

[snes101]

I think the worst is Ice Climbers, i never really liked that (is that a Nintendo franchise?)
Well considering that (IIRC) there was only one game that was ported several times... no, it isn't. At least that comes under my logic of what a franchise isn't. :)

[Gus the Crocodile]

I don't think some people are even reading the thread. The question is about the best and worst of each franchise, not the best and worst franchises.

[imaROBOT]

Suggestion: 1 of those people should go and post their own thread which caters for the topic they wish to discuss.

[nephilim]

Final fantasy: VII being the best with tactics (GBA) being the worst
im guessing your new to final fantasy,
Final fantasy:mystic quest for snes

worst final fantasy and one of the worst rpg's on snes

[chibi]

Final fantasy: VII being the best with tactics (GBA) being the worst
im guessing your new to final fantasy,
Final fantasy:mystic quest for snes

and I'm guessing your a smart ass :roll:

Final Fantasy MQ was designed as an entrey level RGP for the American market. People need to remember that before passing judgement. There's no point in comparing Final Fantasy MQ to the likes of Final Fantasy 4, MQ was never intended to be a core final fantasy game. In fact when the game was launched in the UK it wasnt even called Final Fantasy, and in Japan it was called Final Fantsy: USA Mystic Quest. So Squre made it quite obvious from the get go MQ was not a core FF game, and should not be compared to its predecesors.

[gaz5021]

Dynasty Warriors 3 is easily the greatest of the ones I have, one of my top 10 favourite games ever. Dynasty Warriors 4 is shit.

I liked A Link To The Past the best, and probably Zelda 2 the worst. Haven't played it much, though.

Metroid Prime, my favourite game ever. Metroid Prime Pinball is probably another of my top 10 games ever.

NBA Live '96 the greatest ever, '99 the worst.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Final fantasy: VII being the best with tactics (GBA) being the worst
im guessing your new to final fantasy,
Final fantasy:mystic quest for snes

and I'm guessing your a smart ass :roll:

Final Fantasy MQ was designed as an entrey level RGP for the American market. People need to remember that before passing judgement. There's no point in comparing Final Fantasy MQ to the likes of Final Fantasy 4, MQ was never intended to be a core final fantasy game. In fact when the game was launched in the UK it wasnt even called Final Fantasy, and in Japan it was called Final Fantsy: USA Mystic Quest. So Squre made it quite obvious from the get go MQ was not a core FF game, and should not be compared to its predecesors.

None of the FF games are connected (save the horrible X-2), so whether there's a number or a subtitle doesn't really set them apart; it's the mechanics that matter. If Square didn't want the Final Fantasy name on it, they could have left it off completely, but they didn't, and that's not nephilim's fault. Second, at least it's the same genre: I have more of a problem with people calling Tactics Advance the worst than I do MQ.

[Incomplete]

Final fantasy: VII being the best with tactics (GBA) being the worst
im guessing your new to final fantasy,
Final fantasy:mystic quest for snes

and I'm guessing your a smart ass :roll:

Final Fantasy MQ was designed as an entrey level RGP for the American market. People need to remember that before passing judgement. There's no point in comparing Final Fantasy MQ to the likes of Final Fantasy 4, MQ was never intended to be a core final fantasy game. In fact when the game was launched in the UK it wasnt even called Final Fantasy, and in Japan it was called Final Fantsy: USA Mystic Quest. So Squre made it quite obvious from the get go MQ was not a core FF game, and should not be compared to its predecesors.

Doesn't matter, it's called Final Fantasy therefore it's connected to the series. Why do we have to listen to their excuses before we judge the game? It's a terrible game and it's called Final Fantasy therefore it's crappy installment in the series. If they wanted to seperate it from the core final fantasy series they shouldn't have tacked the name onto it. Fact is that the game is an RPG just like the main series, it's got the name and it was developed by square. The fact that they designed it as a simplified RPG to introduce to the American Market doesn't excuse the fact that it's a horrible game.

[Rawrgasm]

OOT for Zelda

Super Mario World for Mario

Super Metroid for Metroid

Resident evil (remake for GC) for RE

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance for the few FF games ive played

and Megaman battle networks (love em all) for Megaman

[chibi]

Final fantasy: VII being the best with tactics (GBA) being the worst
im guessing your new to final fantasy,
Final fantasy:mystic quest for snes

and I'm guessing your a smart ass :roll:

Final Fantasy MQ was designed as an entrey level RGP for the American market. People need to remember that before passing judgement. There's no point in comparing Final Fantasy MQ to the likes of Final Fantasy 4, MQ was never intended to be a core final fantasy game. In fact when the game was launched in the UK it wasnt even called Final Fantasy, and in Japan it was called Final Fantsy: USA Mystic Quest. So Squre made it quite obvious from the get go MQ was not a core FF game, and should not be compared to its predecesors.

Doesn't matter, it's called Final Fantasy therefore it's connected to the series. Why do we have to listen to their excuses before we judge the game? It's a terrible game and it's called Final Fantasy therefore it's crappy installment in the series. If they wanted to seperate it from the core final fantasy series they shouldn't have tacked the name onto it. Fact is that the game is an RPG just like the main series, it's got the name and it was developed by square. The fact that they designed it as a simplified RPG to introduce to the American Market doesn't excuse the fact that it's a horrible game.

Here's a tip, have a look at what it says on the front of the box on FF: MQ

ENTRY LEVEL ROLE PLAYING GAME

so whether there's a number or a subtitle doesn't really set them apart; it's the mechanics that matter. If Square didn't want the Final Fantasy name on it, they could have left it off completely

You've obivously missed my point.

Square did make it bloody obvious this game was not intended for hardcore RGP gamers. As above on the front of the games box it said "entry level", and in Europe it was not even called Final Fantasy but just Mystic Quest. Not to mention in Japan Square added "USA" in the title so gamers knew this was not a core FF game. Even the producers at the time said in an interview before it was released that MQ was going to be a more basic RGP then the previous FFs, as it was intended to help draw the American's into japanese role playing games.

You have your core final fantasy games, ie 1-13, and then you have spin offs and cash cows. MQ was a spin off from the main games, it was never intended to be on the same level as the ccore games in the series. It was done intentionally by Square for the reasons outlined above. It's just my opinion so accept it, I personally dont think it's fair to compare MQ to any of the core FF titles. If Square had wanted us to do that they wouldn't have branded and marketed the game as a beginer's role playing game.

[Gus the Crocodile]

No, I didn't miss your point at all, I just don't really agree with it. An entry-level RPG is still an RPG, and if you want suggestions on what's not for "hardcore RPG gamers", Final Fantasy would be the top of my list, so I wouldn't leave any of the series out because of that.

So it was easier and simpler than the other games. Big deal. Ever since FF7 and onwards when they started marketing it to the US, the whole series is a joke in terms of difficulty; it doesn't mean the more recent games "don't count". What about X-2? That's not a number at all, but I'd call it one of the main games, because it plays exactly the same.

Look, I can see the argument both ways here. It was fairly obvious at the time that MQ isn't intended to be part of the numbered series, and it still is now, but I just don't think that's a reason to get up in arms when somebody compares it to the rest of the series. What Square intended the game to be seen as is not what the game automatically becomes. Final Fantasy is a series of standard JRPGs. Mystic Quest is named Final Fantasy (in a lot of places), and is a standard JRPG. Hardly seems unfair that people put them together.

[gaz5021]

nephilim, do you think Mystic Quest is the best or worse of the series? I think it's great. Final Fantasy VII is my favourite, though.

I'm not looking to get involved in the current debate, let's assume for the sake of my question that we're allowed to include it.

[JC]

The Legend of Zelda:
The original is the worst and Ocarina of Time is the best.

I know people won't like that but I think from Zelda 2 onward was when the stuff that I really liked about the series was expanded (side-scrolling and life meters aside) and that is why I think the original is the worst. To me it is really like saying Johnny Walker Red Label is the worst Johnny Walker; it's still bloody good!


Super Mario Bros:
Super Mario Bros. 3 is the best and I think I hate Dr. Mario the most though I heard Mario Pinball and Mario is Missing are both awful games too. I suppose it also depends how narrow you want to make 'series'.


Mario Kart:
Mario Kart 64 provided a lot of enjoyment and Double Dash just wasn't up to scratch.


Metroid:
I couldn't stand Metroid 2 for more than a few minutes but I loved Metroid Prime.

[Incomplete]

Here's a tip, have a look at what it says on the front of the box on FF: MQ

ENTRY LEVEL ROLE PLAYING GAME

Yeah...? I acknowledged that ---> "The fact that they designed it as a simplified RPG to introduce to the American Market..."

Just for you I'll read it again and decide yet again that I still think it's by far my pick for the worst FF game in the franchise. Sorry, I've read what you have to say but I still consider it to be a genuine Final Fantasy game and I still think it sucks sloppy ass.

Just for topics sake FF8 is my favourite, 6 was my first and Tactics is cool.

The original Zelda is my least favourite, Ocarina of Time is my favourite.

Mario Bros. 2 is my least favourite, Mario Bros. 3 is my favourite.

Original Metroid is my least favourite and Super Metroid is my favourite.

Pokemon Red/Blue is the pokemon game I had the most fun with and colusseum is my least favourite.

Resident evil 4 is my fav and the Original is the my least favourite of what i've played. (only 1, 2, REmake and 4)

[chibi]

Mystic Quest is named Final Fantasy (in a lot of places), and is a standard JRPG. Hardly seems unfair that people put them together.

No it is not a standard RPG at all, it is a watered down version.


Just for topics sake FF8 is my favourite, 6 was my first and Tactics is cool.

The original Zelda is my least favourite, Ocarina of Time is my favourite.
Resident evil 4 is my fav and the Original is the my least favourite of what i've played.

I have to say out of everyones comments in this thread you seem to have the most different view.

FF8 being your favourite FF rpg, have you played FF7, 4, 6, or 5? FF8's magic system was by far one of the worst in the series, and the plot wasn't too crash hot either. It is my least fav FF title ever, a hell of a lot worse then mystic quest might i add ;)

So what do you like about FF8, because tbh i cant think of one other then the cool fmvs :P

[Gus the Crocodile]

No it is not a standard RPG at all, it is a watered down version.
Well I can't argue with something that vague. If you think making something easier or simpler disqualifies it from a series, then I suppose you're entitled to your opinion, but I would leave you with two words: Yoshi's Story. Watering something down may make a disappointing entry in a series, but it makes an entry nonetheless.


As for the thread proper:

Metroid:
Prime or Super > * > Return of Samus (ignoring Hunters and Pinball)

Zelda:
Ocarina of Time > * > Adventure of Link

Mario:
Yoshi's Island > * > Yoshi's Story. (Excluding anything outside the main series)

Others:
DKC2 > * > DK64
FFIX > * > FFVIII (PSX Tactics owns all of them, but I'm not counting it...or Mystic Quest; including that would remove an opportunity to bash FF8 :))
Mario Kart 64 > * > Super Circuit
Seiken Densetsu 3 > * > FFA or whatever you want to call the first one.
Megaman X2 > * > X6
Super Bomberman 3 > * > B64: The Second Attack (I think that was the name)
Turok 2 > * > Turok 3
Lylat Wars > * > Assault (excluding Adventures)

Thread contribution that isn't an argument +1 :P

[domislong]

Metroid Prime 1> Metroid Prime Hunters.

If I can just steer away from Nintendo for a sec though, Command and Conquer Red Alert 1 & 2 were way above the rest of the series.

[Incomplete]

I have to say out of everyones comments in this thread you seem to have the most different view.

FF8 being your favourite FF rpg, have you played FF7, 4, 6, or 5? FF8's magic system was by far one of the worst in the series, and the plot wasn't too crash hot either. It is my least fav FF title ever, a hell of a lot worse then mystic quest might i add ;)

So what do you like about FF8, because tbh i cant think of one other then the cool fmvs :P

I'm quite aware that alot of fans bash FF8, sorry for not conforming, can't believe you'd ever put it near the category of the MQ tho or even lower it beneath X-2. Now I'll let you in on the secret to how I managed to love FF8... I had fun :P (something I couldn't do playing MQ, if you can I commend you).

It was the first FF game I really played at an age to have an appreciation of RPG's, beforehand I didn't really like the slow pace of RPG's. I'd played FF3(6... whatever..) and your good friend MQ before I played FF8 but I was like 7 when I played them so they didn't make any great impressions on me at the time. Anyway I first played FF8 when I was like 13 and just to be clear I didn't own a Playstation back then, I had a N64 but my brother came back from college with one for the holidays so I'm no vet of the PS archives, just played what my mates had at their houses back in the day but lately I've been trying to catch up on some of the games I missed out on (e.g. FF7, Chrono Cross, mainly RPG's actually...). My bro had both 7 and 8 but being the intelligent young man I was picked the latest installment expecting it to be better.

If I had to pinpoint my reasons why I like it so much I'd have to say; Story, Nostalgia, Age, Presentation. The story really appeals to me, even though you fault it. I'm a sucker for romantics (ugh, that sounds so lame...) so I really enjoyed it. I loved the presentation, the cool-ass FMV's and cutscenes had me mesmerized, had nice graphics and I liked the soundtrack alot, nowadays FMV's and graphics don't mean so much to me but even still it always makes the experience all the more magical and absorbing. I was pretty young when I played it and the 64 wasn't getting much RPG action, it was the first console RPG I played in an age and it was refreshing and different, at least compared to Pokemon which was really the only RPG action I was getting back then. I won't really judge the magic system, all I'll say is once my brother showed me the ropes of it all it I just played the game and it didn't get in the way of me having a really good time playing it. Anyway besides everything I've said it's been a while since I've played it and when I get nostalgic I don't remember the bad memories.

As for what games in the series I've played:
FFMQ
FF1
FF2
FF4 - only about 10 hours tho
FF6
FF7 - started playing this a while ago, still on the first disc
FF8 <3
FFX
FFX-2 - I only played like 10 hours of this but that's coz I couldn't stomach it... I'd say this is the only game that rivals MQ for worst game in the series for me, so disappointing.

...btw what's so strange about my picks?

FF8 is my fav... yeah I can understand a fan of the series not agreeing it's the best but it's my favourite. I know I'm not the only person who thinks MQ is crap crappity crap poo.

JC has the same feelings about Zelda as me.
The Legend of Zelda:
The original is the worst and Ocarina of Time is the best.

I know people won't like that but I think from Zelda 2 onward was when the stuff that I really liked about the series was expanded (side-scrolling and life meters aside) and that is why I think the original is the worst. To me it is really like saying Johnny Walker Red Label is the worst Johnny Walker; it's still bloody good!
couldn't say it better myself.

And RE4 is a brilliant game imo, I'd be surprised if you think that's crap too. Like I said I've played 1, 2, REmake if you include that as well and 4. 2 is better than 1, so I wouldn't put it as worst and I think that REmake was an improvement so it's only logical that I put the original at the bottom.

Anyway, it's good to have different views.

BTW you still haven't listed some of your best and worsts yet, Sakura.

[wifebeater]

Quake 3 Arena > Quake 4

[RevenGz]

Chrono: Chrono Trigger was the best but i wouldn't call Chrono Cross bad
Mario: Super Mario Bros. 1 was the best with Super Mario Bros. 2 being the worst
Final fantasy: VII being the best with tactics (GBA) being the worst
Zelda: OOT is the best with the worst being Links Awakening
Starfox: Lylat wars was the best with Starfox Adventures being the worst


tactics gba is like the best of its kind! wayyy better than the ps1 version which took forever to play
and > tactic orges :S

[Gus the Crocodile]

Pfft, it took forever to play because there's some complexity to the game system. Really, if you're faulting SRPGs on taking a long time to play, I think you're playing the wrong genre :P

[TSPhoenix]

Pfft, it took forever to play because there's some complexity to the game system. Really, if you're faulting SRPGs on taking a long time to play, I think you're playing the wrong genre :P

That said I know more that a few RPGs that could benefit from having the gameplay sped up a bit. No need for a 10 second clip every time you cast a summon.