View Full Version : So I watched that Ghost in the Shell movie
I Am The Wind
22-04-2008, 10:36 PM
Pretty overated.
Lon Lon Rancher
22-04-2008, 10:38 PM
Ghost in the Shell did nothing for me.
I Am The Wind
22-04-2008, 10:39 PM
Seriously, the PSX game was way better.
And Christ sakes, the amount of nudity was ridiculous and pretty unnecessary. However it was a lot less jarring and annoying than most fanservice.
Lon Lon Rancher
22-04-2008, 10:40 PM
Never played it.
Female nudity is good.
To be honest, I haven't seen it, but going by impressions, it sounds rather... pretentious. Not my own judgement, just what I have heard from a select few, yet I still also have been told that it is a must-watch and a very good movie. Hmm.
I'll see it when I get around to it, or find my brother's copy in the house. Whichever comes first.
I played the demo of the PSX game, was fun as I remember. Not the full game, though.
This'd be the first movie ya? Not the second, or the "Solid State Society" thing?
Personally, I preferred the series over the movies (mainly because of the Tachikomas and the music, but still.)
debaser
22-04-2008, 11:05 PM
Ghost in the Shell was good for an anime. The best bit of the whole movie is the sequence that shows nothing but scenery of the city and a plane flying over though.
TSPhoenix
22-04-2008, 11:56 PM
Do I dare comment? Personally I think everyone is missing the point somewhat.
What exactly did you people want out of this movie? If you wanted to be as confused as [insert witty simile here] or be made to think sure its good, but beyond that nothing. Its not an action flick if that is what you were looking for.
Did I like it? No, not really. I understood it (unlike GitS2 which confused the hell out of me), it was rather though provoking. The fact nobody gets it is rather telling of people's patience these days.
As for the nudity, there may or may not be anything in it but consider this, if it isn't cold and you have shade why would you bother wearing clothes?
Fox McCloud
22-04-2008, 11:59 PM
All nudity is good for Fox lol, but I did like the one episode of anime i watched ^^
Capt. Billy
23-04-2008, 01:40 AM
GitS was pretentious, at least IMO, but it also helped give anime a step toward being considered a legitimate story telling medium. It's kinda like the Beatles. I personally don't like them, but I can see what they did as far as the opening they made in the music business.
Gookanheimer
23-04-2008, 02:09 AM
Personally, I preferred the series over the movies (mainly because of the Tachikomas and the music, but still.)
Ergh, that's the one thing that really shitted me off in the series. The voices of those god damn Tachikomas! Should've mentioned that in the sub/dub thread. Though I can't imagine that their voices would've been any less irritating in the Japanese version than the English one.
Personally, I preferred the series over the movies (mainly because of the Tachikomas and the music, but still.)
Ergh, that's the one thing that really shitted me off in the series. The voices of those god damn Tachikomas! Should've mentioned that in the sub/dub thread. Though I can't imagine that their voices would've been any less irritating in the Japanese version than the English one.
Really? I loved the four year old children think-tanks, the voice just made them sound...well, cute which is hard for a robot with guns. Although they sorta felt like comic relief every now and then, I really liked them.
I Am The Wind
23-04-2008, 03:34 PM
Do I dare comment? Personally I think everyone is missing the point somewhat.
What exactly did you people want out of this movie? If you wanted to be as confused as [insert witty simile here] or be made to think sure its good, but beyond that nothing. Its not an action flick if that is what you were looking for.Yeah I guess I was hoping for some kind of sci fi thriller, like Blade Runner or something.
Some of the themes (brain hacking, created fantasies, AI being sentient) were interesting bu I dont feel that the movie had much of a story. Government department go rouge with subversive virus/robot/hacker but act as if they're trying to capture it, other law enforcement department catch it with dumb luck. Feds try to reclaim it but law enforcers have already figured it out.
I didn't get the whole robot merger thing though.
TSPhoenix
23-04-2008, 03:53 PM
Personally I don't think GitS would have worked at all if it didn't give out that pretentious vibe a lot of you got. It had to be self-important to get its point across.
Gookanheimer
24-04-2008, 12:34 AM
Really? I loved the four year old children think-tanks, the voice just made them sound...well, cute which is hard for a robot with guns. Although they sorta felt like comic relief every now and then, I really liked them.
Cute? It made them sounds like psychotic cartoon killers, ready to flip out and slice your head off with a comically oversized circular saw. Maybe if they were actually voiced as four year old children rather than squirrels on helium with a mixture of V and Red Bull for blood in a time dilation field (so we can actually slow down the words enough to be able to hear what they are).
Flareod
25-04-2008, 04:15 PM
I can say that I wasn't the biggest fan of the movie. I mean, I found it okay, but nothing special. I did actually like the concept - but the way it was pulled off just didn't do anything for me.
The second movie, as TSP said, was a bit of a lolwat? on the other hand.
Sensitive Salaryman
27-04-2008, 12:41 AM
I'm actually a fan of the movies and especially the series. I think pretentious is right, but it it just works, and in a way no other anime I've watched does. The stories are deep, confusing and over thought. They overflow with personal philosophies and ideas. It still works somehow. GIS is something to sink your teeth into, rewatch the series and juice it some more. The animation is of high quality too so your eyes don't bleed (Speed Grapher = WTF can't draw parallel lines in perspective).
Adios
27-04-2008, 03:21 PM
Oooooh boy....
Ghost In The Shell is fantastic. Even if you don't like it you can't say it's nothing but original. It's a film that pushes the boundaries of anime for once. It's intelligent, thoughtful, intriguing, captivating and complex. Watch the film as if you're reading a good philosophical book like A Brave New World, 1984, Atlus Shrugged, Crime & Punishment and look at what Oshii is trying to say.
It really questions how one can define themselves today, how technology could replace and erase the very things we consider human and numerous other things. Certainly the story is weak, it's meant to be, the plot is there for the characters and the story is mainly the characters digressing hugely from the plot with philosophical conversations.
Debaser, thank you for mentioning the greatest bit in the movie and you're right. It's beautiful imagery and eery music merge perfectly together.
And the nudity? It was completely contextual! Kusanagi had to be naked to activate her invisibility thing-y ma jig.
Ghost In The Shell is a film, not an anime, a film like the films of Goddard or Tarkovsky with a totally unique way of constructing plot and character, which Ghost In The Shell shares. Nothing like it had come before it and nothing like it has come after it (except Oshii's other brilliant films of course). It's certainly not pretentious, it's simply a new, original way of looking at and making a film. I find it brilliant personally.
And what's with the Ghost In The Shell 2 hate? I find it's even better than the original!
Gus the Crocodile
27-04-2008, 03:50 PM
Ghost In The Shell is fantastic. Even if you don't like it you can't say it's nothing but original.
Slow down, you're tripping over your own negations :)
TSPhoenix
27-04-2008, 08:24 PM
The Ghost in the Shell 2 "hate" isn't hate per se, its that that GitS2 is just outright too complicated for most people. For the majority it takes multiple watchings to figure it out and that isn't an investment many are willing to make on that kind of thing. Generally speaking people don't appreciate all of the things GitS is anymore.
Adios
28-04-2008, 06:07 PM
Slow down, you're tripping over your own negations :)
Ahahahaha!
I just realized how awkward that sentence that was :P !
Hyper the Mewtroid
29-04-2008, 06:49 PM
Perhaps this kid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiJuq0VSATo) should watch Ghost in the Shell.
Sensitive Salaryman
29-04-2008, 11:31 PM
Perhaps this kid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiJuq0VSATo) should watch Ghost in the Shell.
By Jupiter, all I could hear were the high pitched squeals of some unholy animal being raped!
TheChimp
30-04-2008, 03:59 PM
Just found an article (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com.au/news/2008-04-28/dreamworks-to-make-3d-live-action-ghost-in-the-shell) that's announced Dreamworks is going to make a 3D 'live-action' Ghost in the Shell. Apparently Steven Spielberg's involved.
Flareod
30-04-2008, 06:23 PM
Perhaps this kid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiJuq0VSATo) should watch Ghost in the Shell.
I'm so glad he pointed out how 4 Kids art style is very obvious and characteristic of a particular genre/kind of anime.
... :roll:
stubbietubbie
30-04-2008, 06:25 PM
Just found an article (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com.au/news/2008-04-28/dreamworks-to-make-3d-live-action-ghost-in-the-shell) that's announced Dreamworks is going to make a 3D 'live-action' Ghost in the Shell. Apparently Steven Spielberg's involved.
*Cough* (http://www.aussie-nintendo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25534)
TheChimp
30-04-2008, 06:30 PM
Just found an article (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com.au/news/2008-04-28/dreamworks-to-make-3d-live-action-ghost-in-the-shell) that's announced Dreamworks is going to make a 3D 'live-action' Ghost in the Shell. Apparently Steven Spielberg's involved.
*Cough* (http://www.aussie-nintendo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25534)
I recall seeing that thread now, but didn't remember it when I posted. Never mind then. :P
Adios
30-04-2008, 07:09 PM
STEVEN F*CKING SPIELBERG!
This is possibly the worst choice I've ever seen... For anything...
This has made me... just unbelievably angry.
Besides the movie is perfect as is... Hollywood, what's with the re-makes?
stubbietubbie
30-04-2008, 07:20 PM
Keep that discussion to that thread please.
Anyway, enjoyed the first, still watch it on a regular basis, but the second one was just too deep in it's philosophies that I couldn't help but feel it detract from the overall story. I guess I'm just not intelligent enough.
Adios
30-04-2008, 07:23 PM
Re-watch it! Again and again!
It really is just as fantastic as the first one. Just requires a bit more watches. A sign of a good film!
Sensitive Salaryman
02-05-2008, 11:58 PM
Oh noes, a Hollywood adaptation?!
Discussion among producers: "Well damn, I didn't get any of it, but I liked her boobs, by Bob I liked her boobs. Can we just have more of that, and less of that brainy stuff. Maybe we can just replace the girl with Will Smith.. I always liked Will Smith... Man I'd love to see Will Smith with boobs. *awkward silence*"
I too thought GITS was rather ordinary upon first watch, but then I watched it again in Japanese with subs and it was all of a sudden a brilliant movie. Seriously, I find the English dub of GITS possibly the worst I've ever heard - and it completely ruins the entire film.
It's a philisophical musing though, not an action film. You need to approach it in the right frame of mind, which I guess works both for and against the film. It's a film that needs to be digested over time - much like No Country for Old Men was. It's purpose, meaning and cinematical achievements aren't inherently obvious... (if I could slide off into being a pretentious sounding twat for a moment).
Adios
04-05-2008, 01:39 AM
Strange SG. I watched Ghost In The Shell in English by accident first and now I simply can't listen to the Japanese dub. Usually I'm completely the opposite but I think they did a good job with the dub...
They totally messed up the sequels English dub though, have to watch that in Japanese :P
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