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Australian industry on Silent Hill ban and local classification

Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 12:18 pm by Will Will is offline

Konami's Silent Hill: Homecoming was refused classification in Australia last month and industry figures have slammed the censorship of games locally, saying that the medium should be considered an art form like film or literature.


Interactive Entertainment Association of Australia chief Ron Curry said: "With the average age of gamers being 28, it makes no sense to censor games to a point where they are only appropriate for a 15 year old.

"Such censorship would not be acceptable on television, at the cinema or in print, so why apply it unfairly to another entertainment medium?"


Retailers will offer a refund on pre-ordered games although have said that they'll encourage customers to "wait out" the banning in the hope of a censored version being delivered before the end of the year. That's what happened with Fallout 3 earlier this year.

Curry continued: "Silent Hill, from the beginning of the franchise, has been about exploring the horror genre through interactive entertainment, similar to other mediums such as movies and books.

"To have such a high quality narrative receiving a Refused Classification only further highlights the need for an immediate review of the classification system."


On the other side is chief executive of the Australian Industry Group, Heather Ridout. Although she supported the controversial work of photographer Bill Henson, she said she found violent games "appalling."

"Grand Theft Auto was one of the more famous games and seemed to turn everyone into a car thief,"
Ridout said. "Violent games... violence, it breeds violence."

Journalist James Cottee said that there seemed to be a "prejudice" against games that ignored their artistic value and the gratification people get out of playing them.

"Games are a legitimate art form just like books or film or anything else. This stigma that they're somehow tawdry, is just that – an irrational prejudice," he said.

"[Silent Hill games] are pretty spooky and atmospheric and aimed at a more mature gamer, or at least one who isn't easily frightened," Cottee continued. "That's why you (should) have higher ratings, so that people can make informed choices.

"I think it's always unfair when the government makes choices for you and takes things out of your hands."

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Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 12:28 pm by Rickie Rickie is offline
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Interactive Entertainment Association of Australia chief Ron Curry said: "With the average age of gamers being 28, it makes no sense to censor games to a point where they are only appropriate for a 15 year old.

"Such censorship would not be acceptable on television, at the cinema or in print, so why apply it unfairly to another entertainment medium?"
Too true...
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"Grand Theft Auto was one of the more famous games and seemed to turn everyone into a car thief,"
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Ridout said. "Violent games... violence, it breeds violence."
Oh YEAH. I just CAN'T stop myself from stealing all dem cars, I especially love it when I drive them through stars and it automatically makes the cops stop chasing me so I can get away scot free. real life is AWESOME.

...seriously, what an idiotic thing to say. I love games like GTA 'cause I get to expressly do what I'd never do in real life. That's what games are for, to escape reality...not alter what we do in reality.

I really wish they open their eyes and stop all this censor shit. If they think it's inappropriate for younger people, how's about make it so they can't get it? Y'know...an R rating? Jeez, we need one. Dumbing down the games is so stupid...makes me glad I can import these days.
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 12:39 pm by JPW JPW is offline
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People were hijacking cars way before Grand Theft Auto.
What about back in the olden days where cowboys used to hijack trains. Where were the video games to influence them? Where was GTA? Oh my gods it didn't exist. What about the legend of Jack the Ripper(probably just a bedtime story though)... Where was the video game that inspired him?
What about all the Wars that broke out? Where was the violence that inspired the Germans to take over most of Europe? In video games?

Video games brings violence.... what a load of crap!!
Violence is only brought out of it if that person was already crazy. And can't tell such a difference between reality and make believe.

I see violent games as a relief. We've always wanted to do these things but to an extent we can't do it in the real world. We know it's wrong. I know it's wrong. In a video game we can get away with it and live another day. Unlike real life where you most likely get shot or thrown in jail for doing something wrong.

I loved Mortal Kombat back in the day. But I never ripped off someone's head.

I turned out perfectly normal. well for a while.... I did go crazy but that was paranoia.
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 12:40 pm by misteromar misteromar is offline
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So this woman supports child porn but hates games where player can let off some steam rather than letting it out in real life.
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 12:49 pm by TSPhoenix TSPhoenix is offline
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Konami should just bypass the OFLC and setup a means for customers to get the product from Europe. That would be legal no?
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 01:07 pm by rob1610 rob1610 is offline
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I am so sick if these useless topics! Yes, we need an R rating for our games, but that.....bitch (yes I said it) says they create violence. Video games are just as bad as TV and movies, buddy. And those a MILD compared to what alcohol does to people! Games are to do those things you'd never do in real life. TV and movies are for watching them happen. Get over yourself, you can't win.
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 01:09 pm by Thomas_Hill Thomas_Hill is offline
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Heh. "Ron Curry"
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 01:13 pm by ChaosTH ChaosTH is offline
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Konami should just bypass the OFLC and setup a means for customers to get the product from Europe. That would be legal no?
Even if it wasn't that'd be awesome. I'd love Konami forever. =P

And once again some member of the P.C. squad pulls out the ol' "Videogames breed violence" card.

WRONG. Stupidity breeds vilolence, not games. Wanna keep 'em away for impresionable kids? Give it an R rating.

But then again, what videogames DON'T involve violence nowdays? Not much according to the P.C. squad. Next they'll ban a game because some guy said "Black Board" instead of "Chalk Board". >.>
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 01:25 pm by rob1610 rob1610 is offline
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Next they'll ban a game because some guy said "Black Board" instead of "Chalk Board". >.>
ROFL! So true.
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 01:30 pm by Gus the Crocodile Gus the Crocodile is offline
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Konami should just bypass the OFLC and setup a means for customers to get the product from Europe. That would be legal no?
Uh, for Konami, sure. Obviously, Australian law doesn't apply anywhere other than here, so yeah, Konami is free to send whatever packages they like to Australian addresses. But importing is a two-man job, and the person picking it up at this end is not in the same legal situation, so Customs is also free to seize those packages when they arrive.

Of course, we know the chances of that happening to a particular parcel are pretty slim, but whether you get caught is a different question to whether you're doing something illegal.
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 01:37 pm by Parasyte Parasyte is offline
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One of the games I was most looking forward to...
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 02:11 pm by Angus Angus is offline
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On the other side is chief executive of the Australian Industry Group, Heather Ridout. Although she supported the controversial work of photographer Bill Henson, she said she found violent games "appalling."

"Grand Theft Auto was one of the more famous games and seemed to turn everyone into a car thief,"
Ridout said. "Violent games... violence, it breeds violence."
Oh wow, that's priceless.
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 06:13 pm by Bijou Bijou is offline
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Auto was one of the more famous games and seemed to turn everyone into a car thief," Ridout said. "Violent games... violence, it breeds violence."
Do R rated movies turn people into serial killers? Based off of her logic then the answer is HELL YEAH!
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 06:18 pm by Heinz Heinz is offline
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Why can't the Government stop playing Mummy & Daddy and just let us choose what we want to play by ourselves? I'm pretty sure as an adult I am capable of making the right decision...
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 07:04 pm by MatrosRx MatrosRx is offline
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So this woman supports child porn but hates games where player can let off some steam rather than letting it out in real life.
It's ignorant remarks like that that help propel conservative Australia further. There's a difference between nudes and pornography. And as has been said a million times, and as judged by the police investigation, Bill Henson's works are not pornographic in nature. I have seen images of them, and most of them are more akin to still life set ups than a pornographic scene. And I remember hearing one of the girl's from a controversial artwork (can't remember if it was Bill Henson's) That she was really upset and angry at the Prime Minister for saying that the work/s she was in were disgusting. I think conservative Australia would screw up those girls more than Bill Henson would have. Arrgh v_v I'm sick of talking about Bill Henson... Stupid Australia... right, now:

This woman is a moron, you can't push forward Australia's freedom in one way and try to suppress it another way that is very similar. Obviously she is an art goer and therefore understands the arts, but isn't a gamer therefore has the prejudice that the typical Australian has about controversial art works.

Hopefully the push for a more relaxed and understanding censorship system gets pushed through. Because Australia is just getting ridiculous.
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 07:23 pm by Leon
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With Fallout 3 and now Silent Hill: Homecoming being refused classification by the OFLC, I have doubts as to whether GTA: Chinatown Wars will see a release due to its drug dealing minigame which supposedly plays an integral role in the game's progression.

Fail :/
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 08:14 pm by Dark Moogle Dark Moogle is offline
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With Fallout 3 and now Silent Hill: Homecoming being refused classification by the OFLC, I have doubts as to whether GTA: Chinatown Wars will see a release due to its drug dealing minigame which supposedly plays an integral role in the game's progression.

Fail :/
As long as they don't use real drugs names then it doesn't matter if they call the drugs happy pills or Nectar, but who is stupid enough to call a drug Nectar *runs and hides from Haze*
Posted 1st of October, 2008 at 09:48 pm by Adios Adios is offline
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Import time fellas!

I'm sure you could legitimently sue whatever Government body took your precious game anyway on the off chance that they opened the box, scanned the box art, scanned a page of BANNED games on a list of paper and promptly set fire to it if it was found to be illegal because it's sure high up on their responsibility!
Posted 4th of October, 2008 at 07:04 pm by TSPhoenix TSPhoenix is offline
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So this woman supports child porn but hates games where player can let off some steam rather than letting it out in real life.
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It's ignorant remarks like that that help propel conservative Australia further. There's a difference between nudes and pornography. And as has been said a million times, and as judged by the police investigation, Bill Henson's works are not pornographic in nature. I have seen images of them, and most of them are more akin to still life set ups than a pornographic scene. And I remember hearing one of the girl's from a controversial artwork (can't remember if it was Bill Henson's) That she was really upset and angry at the Prime Minister for saying that the work/s she was in were disgusting. I think conservative Australia would screw up those girls more than Bill Henson would have. Arrgh v_v I'm sick of talking about Bill Henson... Stupid Australia... right, now:

This woman is a moron, you can't push forward Australia's freedom in one way and try to suppress it another way that is very similar. Obviously she is an art goer and therefore understands the arts, but isn't a gamer therefore has the prejudice that the typical Australian has about controversial art works.

Hopefully the push for a more relaxed and understanding censorship system gets pushed through. Because Australia is just getting ridiculous.
Glad someone commented, I was going to but I hadn't/haven't seen the pictures so I thought best of it. But yeah, we are being moulded into a society that treats children as taboo. I mean I get along well with kids, its disgusting these days you can't spend time with one without at least three people watching to make sure you aren't up to any funny business. I mean one day I want to be a Dad, I want to spend time with my kids and I don't want to get thrown in jail for taking photos of them for the family album.

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Why can't the Government stop playing Mummy & Daddy and just let us choose what we want to play by ourselves? I'm pretty sure as an adult I am capable of making the right decision...
Clearly you haven't met many new age mummies and daddies. The reality of the matter is that most of them either don't know how to raise kids, don't take enough interest or just had kids but are more interested in themselves. For them having one less responsibility is a prospect they'll jump upon in an instant and that is how we got to where we are. I just pray that the next generation of politicians do care and see this mess for what it is.
Posted 4th of October, 2008 at 11:23 pm by Gus the Crocodile Gus the Crocodile is offline
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new age mummies and daddies
I think you'll find that people "not knowing how to raise kids" is not in any way a new phenomenon.
Posted 5th of October, 2008 at 02:32 pm by TSPhoenix TSPhoenix is offline
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Of course not, I've seen many examples of it for years, its just that there is a whole new archetype of parents thanks to the abundance of daycares and stuff.
Posted 6th of October, 2008 at 03:20 pm by Josem Josem is offline
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i really dont get what the difference is between mediums such as filml and games

if someone is going to go on a killing spree they are going to do it reguardless

besides look at Catcher in the rye, by J.D Salinger.. its just not digital media... many people have claimed that the book spoke to them and "caused" to kill others ie Mark David Chapman

sjould we stop our children from reading books in case they become bad?
Posted 6th of October, 2008 at 04:00 pm by I Am The Wind I Am The Wind is offline
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I like how by "many people" you say one guy. And he was only found to be holding the book when he shot Lennon. And he killed Lennon because Lennon was a communist and Chapman was a right wing nationalist clown.
Posted 7th of October, 2008 at 04:02 pm by KrissB KrissB is offline
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Blah blah blah - we need an R rating - blah blah blah - OFLC can go to hell - blah blah blah. I hope I got my point across XD.

I don't care about Silent Hill, but I really feel for those who were eagerly awaiting it (the whole Fallout 3 fiasco springs to my mind). Our ratings system is now beyond a joke. The game was banned essentially for being violent. The next time I shoot a hooker in GTA, I'll thank the OFLC for protecting me from harmful imagery... god almighty.